Caucasian Please! America's Cultural Double Standard For Misogyny & Racism

[Uke]

Uke the article was biased crap, the examples listed for violent misogynistic music other than hip-hop were either way outdated (Faster Pussycat?) or limited to small genres that are based on shock value and sell miniscule amounts of records compared to the top ten hip-hop artists.


Here is just one fine example of the "Truth" this article presents us about "double standards"



The article claims Kenny Rogers glorified a triple homicide in his hit
"Coward of the county"??????????????????????????????????????????

I guess that version is on Kenny's "XXX" album

with bald faced lies like this why read anymore?

I am not even going to bother refuting anything else in the biased article or your take on the situation Uke because it is obvious from your other posts you idolize these artists, and they are above any criticism from me.

I don't want to hear anymore of your crying about the poor mainstream hip hop artists please! They have enough money to dry their tears with so stop with the sob storys.

and PS DickDumbAssMan/Boobaji please stop ruining
EVERY GODAMN THREAD with pillow talk, that is getting allmost as old as Uke crying about........

"The mistreated, misunderstood, mainstream, millionaire hip-hop artists"

I said allmost..............

First off, how is a song ever outdated? That is one of the most stupid things you've said so far on this site. And WTF is a bald face lie?

This isn't whiny crap as you put it. It clearly presents the case for a double standard that I chose to discuss. Last time you felt the need to mention fish fries and and ice-es to affirm your "street cred", the proof that you know what you're talking about, so I don't expect a whole lot from you.

Why don't you listen to the songs mentioned and instead of trying to get in where you fit in, learn something. Actually go and research before you come out with your picket sign pretending like the author of this article is asking for something or using it as a crutch.

The creators of the blues, jazz, bebop, rock and roll and lastly rap have been the soul of this country's cultural movement since the time of slavery. Those artists aren't asking for any pardons or making any apologies like your simple ass is suggesting. They are, in a nutshell declaring that music created by Blacks in this country has been criticized from the time that it gained popularity, yet Whites always seem to emulate every facet of the music and many parts of the culture.

From the dancing styles of the Blacks and Latinos, to the style of dress, to the slang. From Benny Goodman to Stan Getz to Elvis Presley to Eric Clapton, Steve Vai, Stevie Ray Vaughan and every other guitarist that emulated Jimi Hendrix's style, to The Beastie Boys, Snow(reggae) and Eminem.

We create music, dance styles and culture that's deemed as "primitive", "unrefined" and "crude" until a white artist comes along and makes his rendition of ethnic music and suddenly its less "crude" and more "sensible", and somehow then and only then it becomes acceptable for mainstream radio or television.

All the artists I named have given credit to their influences that they took from to come up with their own sound, but the American media likes to credit them with being pioneers and creators of genres that they simply copy.

This may seem like a tangent, but it really isn't. This little "history lesson" was necessary for people like you because this article doesn't begin with hip hop or removing blame from it. The blame for violence, lewdness and misogyny has long been placed on ethnic music and cultures, regardless if Whites make equally or more violent songs and media.

Tom Yum mentioned that jazz musicians are widely revered. They might be now, but most died penniless as men who copied and stole their styles made millions while they played small venues hoping to pay rent. The Beatles said it best when they came over expecting the American blues and jazz musicians that they grew up admiring and emulating to be extremely wealthy men with mansions and fancy cars. They said that they couldn't believe it when they arrived to see the men that they practically worshipped living in hovels and living in poverty. These men were geniuses. They revolutionized American music forever. Yet they(blues and jazz musicians) were widely looked upon as dope heads, lowlifes and men who played jungle music. They were barely able to make a living because of the stigma that America put on them, yet White musicians who revered these men were able to thrive by simply playing the same music with acceptable appearances.

This article had less to do with blame, but you're obviously not intelligent enough to realize that. Either that or your stupid enough to make remarks about an article that you haven't read. The last article having to do with blame ran a lot deeper than your brain has allowed you to ponder.

This article gave plenty examples of how its ok for Mafia movies to glorify rape, torture, murder and various other crimes, but if its put to song with a hard baseline and rap lyrics it becomes an affront to society. Other forum members have discussed the fact that when clothed women shake their asses in a rap video its demeaning and degrading, but its ok to run a Girls Gone Wild commercial every 10 minutes where teenage White girls show their breasts and have sex on camera.

There's a lot more to this article than you've shown an understanding of, so I won't waste more time pointing out additional details to you.

[GonzoStyles]

First off, how is a song ever outdated?.

When an artist hasnt put out an album in a decade or so? The article lists several bands that haven't been mainstream for years or never were.

Therefore its crap, Don't blame me, blame "Dr.Rhymes" for not doing his homework, PLENTY of better examples out there, the fact that the good Doctor chose this poor representation of violence and misogyny in what you term "Caucasian" culture shows that he is not interested in facts but only his agenda, so a more modern accurate portrayal of these values is not required from him since he is not taking an unbiased look at the subject.

That is one of the most stupid things you've said so far on this site.?.

Really? I find it hard to believe you don't understand the concept of dated music with your experiance in the "rap game" Uke your being intentionally obtuse, it is a very easy to understand, relative concept grounding my point that this article is bullshit.

And WTF is a bald face lie?

claiming that Kenny Rogers glorified a triple homicide in his song "Coward of the county" is what rational people call "a bald face lie"

This isn't whiny crap as you put it. It clearly presents the case for a double standard that I chose to discuss. Last time you felt the need to mention fish fries and and ice-es to affirm your "street cred", the proof that you know what you're talking about, so I don't expect a whole lot from you.

your reaching here son, I asked you if you knew what the sign
"YOU BUY, WE FRY" on a fried fish place was all about. Care to answer that question? Or do you want to just misquote me again?

and I never mentioned "ice-es" so come correct or don't come at all "Playa".

Why don't you listen to the songs mentioned and instead of trying to get in where you fit in, learn something. Actually go and research before you come out with your picket sign pretending like the author of this article is asking for something or using it as a crutch.

I listen to enough music to know whats out there, why would I waste my time with juvenile music that's sole purpose is shock value?

I guess I should do the research since "Doctor Ryhmes" isn't going to bother doing any.

The creators of the blues, jazz, bebop, rock and roll and lastly rap have been the soul of this country's cultural movement since the time of slavery. Those artists aren't asking for any pardons or making any apologies like your simple ass is suggesting. They are, in a nutshell declaring that music created by Blacks in this country has been criticized from the time that it gained popularity, yet Whites always seem to emulate every facet of the music and many parts of the culture.

Simple Ass? anytime you want to discuss Planck's constant please pm me.

Your still stuck in the 80's Uke! You can't even understand how the digital revolution is changing music!

And Is it emulate or contribute Uke?

from these musical styles inception other cultures here in America and abroad have contributed to the progression and evolution of different kinds of music, but to you it is just ripping-off Black culture? What a narrow minded racial focused view point you have Uke I truly feel sorry for you.

From the dancing styles of the Blacks and Latinos, to the style of dress, to the slang. From Benny Goodman to Stan Getz to Elvis Presley to Eric Clapton, Steve Vai, Stevie Ray Vaughan and every other guitarist that emulated Jimi Hendrix's style, to The Beastie Boys, Snow(reggae) and Eminem.

So now we "Caucasians" steal from Blacks AND Latinos!

I guess the Latinos get a break when they "Emulate" black culture?

You talk about Benny Goodman stealing but you don't talk about him being one of the first bandleaders to break racial boundaries by hiring Charlie Christenson, not that your simple ass would even know who that is without the help of the internet (go on Uke Google him! he was a great guitar player)

Elvis Presley stole as much from Charlie Feathers as anyone, but I guess since Charlie Feathers grew up in Hollis Springs Miss. he was just "Emulating" Black culture??

Eric Clapton (along with the Rolling Stones) was one of the first english artists who actually brought recognition to his influences, hell he even insisted that Howling Wolf's guitar player Hubert Sumlin be included on the album he recorded with Wolf!

and thinking that SRV copied hendrix style shows what little you know about SRV he could copy anyones style most notably the 3 "Kings" of Blues Guitars, can you name them Uke? I can!

Since I dont like Steve Vai, M&M or even know who Snow is I won't touch them.

The Beastie Boys now there is an example, A group that advocated violence and misogyny by choice in their youth, but still sell millions of records and sell out shows without a wanna-be gangster lyric in decades. There goes that whole "Artistic control" thing again Uke!

We create music, dance styles and culture that's deemed as "primitive", "unrefined" and "crude" until a white artist comes along and makes his rendition of ethnic music and suddenly its less "crude" and more "sensible", and somehow then and only then it becomes acceptable for mainstream radio or television.

Damn you twist shit, It takes the youth of a generation to accept new music, the old guard always will bash what the youth identify with, where have you been? Do you even know that there exist other sources for media beyond the mainstream? College radio, small private music stores and now the internet. Any true fan of music digs for its roots the "cruder" the better!

All the artists I named have given credit to their influences that they took from to come up with their own sound, but the American media likes to credit them with being pioneers and creators of genres that they simply copy.

so at first you made these guys out to be just copy cats, but now we blame it on the media? Son you gotta get your story straight, either the majority of American entertainment culture was stolen from Black Americans or wasn't it? Was it stolen by the Artists? The record execs? NO! now its the media!

make up your damn mind

This may seem like a tangent, but it really isn't. This little "history lesson" was necessary for people like you because this article doesn't begin with hip hop or removing blame from it. The blame for violence, lewdness and misogyny has long been placed on ethnic music and cultures, regardless if Whites make equally or more violent songs and media.

Son you couldn't give me a history lesson if your life depended on it.

Your view point is far too narrow, history includes many perspectives, not just yours. The only people who lay the blame solely at the feat of minoritys are bigoted racists.

Tom Yum mentioned that jazz musicians are widely revered. They might be now, but most died penniless as men who copied and stole their styles made millions while they played small venues hoping to pay rent. The Beatles said it best when they came over expecting the American blues and jazz musicians that they grew up admiring and emulating to be extremely wealthy men with mansions and fancy cars. They said that they couldn't believe it when they arrived to see the men that they practically worshipped living in hovels and living in poverty. These men were geniuses. They revolutionized American music forever. Yet they(blues and jazz musicians) were widely looked upon as dope heads, lowlifes and men who played jungle music. They were barely able to make a living because of the stigma that America put on them, yet White musicians who revered these men were able to thrive by simply playing the same music with acceptable appearances..

Plenty of artists of all genres died paupers because of bad life choices and fraudulent management, to claim this is exclusive to African American artists once again shows your narrow minded racial focused point of view.

This article had less to do with blame, but you're obviously not intelligent enough to realize that. Either that or your stupid enough to make remarks about an article that you haven't read. The last article having to do with blame ran a lot deeper than your brain has allowed you to ponder.

I read enough to know it was crap, why bother reading more of the same?
"DrRyhmes" can't even give a good example of violence or misogyny in country music? So he makes up for his lack of research with a BALD FACE LIE about a Kenny Rogers song? Maybe he should go listen to one of my favorite tunes by Kenny"Ruben James" that way he could learn something about the man he was slandering.

This article gave plenty examples of how its ok for Mafia movies to glorify rape, torture, murder and various other crimes, but if its put to song with a hard baseline and rap lyrics it becomes an affront to society. Other forum members have discussed the fact that when clothed women shake their asses in a rap video its demeaning and degrading, but its ok to run a Girls Gone Wild commercial every 10 minutes where teenage White girls show their breasts and have sex on camera.

This article was a poorly written piece of junk with a pre-conceived agenda that chose to distort facts rather than do proper research.

Anyone with a brain knows there is no difference in a booty shakin video and girls gone wild, only a deluded person focused on race would think otherwise. Same goes for violence in media.

There's a lot more to this article than you've shown an understanding of, so I won't waste more time pointing out additional details to you.

Please dont

[Tom Yum]

at least jubaji displays intense creativity sometimes, like his fictional short story about how he used the undertakers finishing move on some guy at a truckstop.

LMAO...that made me laugh so hard that supressing it only brought tears to my eyes...LOL

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

you're officially off my christmas list, asshole.

HAHAHA, that was good too, you come in 2nd

[DickHardman]

LMAO...that made me laugh so hard that supressing it only brought tears to my eyes...LOL

yeah, i must say his story was quite funny. i also laughed pretty hard after reading it.

[jubaji]

I'm sure you laugh everytime you read anything, Cheech. Get all your chuckles in now before you lose the ability to read entirely.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

sorry jubs, but that was a pretty lame comeback.

[Tom Yum]

Uke, the real issue is that alot of entertainment that comes out these days (irregardless of race) pushes social boundaries - much like entertainment seems to do over time, but instead of inspriring others to sing or dance, sends a message...

I remember reading an article circa 1990 about how Sir Mix Alot's concert was banned from some small city because of all the reference to booty; nowadays the song "Baby Got Back" is a classic that all kinds of folks get down to. At the end of the day, the song was somewhat controversial, but largely harmless in terms of influencing others in harmfull ways.

Entertainment in the 80's was suggestive, discrete and symoblic in its rebellion - because of this, children could not get the messages or did not understand them when they came on MTV (which btw used to play nothin' but music vids).

Look at Grandmaster Flash's song "The Message" - he talks about the lows of living in the ghetto in a unique way that sounds hip but doesn not deliver the message with excess vulgarity.

Look at Rick James's "Mary Jane" - most kids under 16 at the time did not know he was talking about a substance and not a person.

Music from the 80's genre experienced criticisms because of heavy sampling and sillyness but the effect on its listeners was largely harmless. The more racy messages were not understandable by audiences that were not meant to listen.

In the 90's, music pushed the envelope and then some - yeah, the gangster rap era, which made it socially acceptable to attack law enforcement, beat women etc. There were cases where guys murdered law enforcement, went to jail and blaimed it on listening to the song "cop killa"...

How do you justify this?

Why is it that some people can listen to hours upon hours of gangster rap, but when the headphones come off they live normal lives, go to school, work etc.?

Whereas others try to act out what they hear/see?

Shouldn't the musician in question take some responsibility for the messages that they preach? Don't you think this is part of the reason why some attack the current entertainment industry?

[DickHardman]

90's west coast ganster rap 4 ever.....

god i love cali.....


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