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  • The Drunk Opponent

    Guys,

    Just wanted to pick up on a specific theme that kept cropping up in the other thread, without dragging that whole discussion on.

    The topic I wanted to throw out there is that of facing drunk opponents. I was kind of getting the impression that people for some reason think this is a walk in the park? In my experience, the benefits of someone being drunk (i.e. lack of co-ordination, balance, timing, accuracy) can very often be outweighed by what it does to make them a harder opponent.

    Most of what goes on in a real fight is to do with how determined and aggressive your opponent is, and how hard it is to back them down. In my experience, alcohol can often be your worst enemy, as opposed to an ally, when someone has consumed too much of it. First of all, it fills them with a sense of courage and determination that means they want to fight when, 99% of the time sober, they never would. Secondly, it makes them so much more aggressive, and it totally blurs their sense of moral judgement, to the point where they will do (and I have seen them do) horrific things. Finally, consumed in large amounts, it partly anaethetises people to pain, which can make them so much harder to stop.

    So I guess what I'm saying is, its not black and white, and its definitely not an easy gig. Sure, on student night when some 19 year old book worm has downed too many ciders, its not a big problem. However, get a Rugby player in front of you who has had 10 pints of lager and has decided that he wants to tear your head off....its no picnic let me assure you.

    I would be interested to hear (most) other people's experiences...

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    Originally posted by Clubber Lang View Post
    Guys, ...In my experience, the benefits of someone being drunk (i.e. lack of co-ordination, balance, timing, accuracy) can very often be outweighed by what it does to make them a harder opponent.
    But that is where techniques and training come in.

    Originally posted by Clubber Lang View Post
    Most of what goes on in a real fight is to do with how determined and aggressive your opponent is, and how hard it is to back them down.
    No, it is determined by how much techniques is known and how much training and practice is done. And by what kind of techniques you use.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Clubber Lang View Post
      However, get a Rugby player in front of you who has had 10 pints of lager and has decided that he wants to tear your head off....its no picnic let me assure you.
      So "drunken Rugby Player Style " is hard to defend against? I will have to remember that one.

      That is where technique and training come in. Even a small woman Kung Fu master should be able to handle such a drunken man.

      I had a 350lb (est) man attack me once and he stepped forward telegraphing his weight, I blocked his strike and as he was going forward on his leg I swept it down and in a crouched over position, (not a grappling ground position) I trapped his hands and had my claw hand on his face, and into his eyes. He surrendered and he was not seriously hurt. But he was not drunk. This man had also taken martial arts in the past. he was like a giant.

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      • #4
        The drunk isn't as bad as the coke-head, or other chemically altered madman. But yeah, a big, mean drunk can be a handful. I reckon a lot of it depends on what he was like before he was drunk.

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        • #5
          yep, agree with you there. Amphetamine was big around my time, and that was hard going.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Clubber Lang View Post
            yep, agree with you there. Amphetamine was big around my time, and that was hard going.
            Against a drunk or a drug addict, you need to learn how to break their stance. The stances will be unstable and their center of gravity is off balanced by drugs. Kung Fu has many techniques that are useful for breaking the stances and taking the attacker to the ground fast.

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            • #7
              Out of your element...

              Originally posted by TigerClaw View Post
              Against a drunk or a drug addict, you need to learn how to break their stance. The stances will be unstable and their center of gravity is off balanced by drugs. Kung Fu has many techniques that are useful for breaking the stances and taking the attacker to the ground fast.

              It seems clear that you are out of your element TC. While I will not admonish you for inserting your kung-fu on our "open" forum I will say that the number one rule for ANY REAL situation with a potential for REAL violence is NEVER UNDERESTIMATE your adversary.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tant01 View Post
                It seems clear that you are out of your element TC.
                Is this license to start with some Big Lebowski quotes?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tant01 View Post
                  It seems clear that you are out of your element TC. While I will not admonish you for inserting your kung-fu on our "open" forum I will say that the number one rule for ANY REAL situation with a potential for REAL violence is NEVER UNDERESTIMATE your adversary.
                  Yes I agree and how many underestimate real Kung Fu fighters.

                  But as far as stances, that is a vital point where so many miss. Stances today are not taken as seriously as they should be. A string stance of a weak stance makes all the difference. And learning how to move from stance to stance is vital.

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                  • #10
                    TC... what %of kung fu fighters are real kung fu fighters as you say? probably not many. I dont want to knock kung fu as im sure it has its place but talk in general not in the top 10%.

                    Also a speed or coke freak you can break their arm, doesnt mean they wont try and beat you to death with it. Substance can make people alot harder to control then people in the right frame of mind.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by -FIGJAM- View Post
                      TC... what %of kung fu fighters are real kung fu fighters as you say? probably not many. I dont want to knock kung fu as im sure it has its place but talk in general not in the top 10%.

                      Also a speed or coke freak you can break their arm, doesnt mean they wont try and beat you to death with it. Substance can make people alot harder to control then people in the right frame of mind.
                      I have been considering this recently. It seems that Kung Fu is more rare in the west. I am sure there are many clubs etc. But it is not as easy to find as , say a tae Kwon Do club etc.

                      When a person is intoxicated, they are not alert and focused. I have met many like this, as they stager around and just about flip over their own feet. I think more restraining locks traps, seizing and take down techniques would work on such.

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                      • #12
                        Has tigerclown gone away yet?

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                        • #13
                          how long do u intend on flipping and locking someone for? point is, yes you may no your stuff and it should be easy, but if you're caught off guard and they tackle you? what if there is more then one of them?

                          ive broken bones, been bottled and number of other things whilst on drugs or drunk and can honestly say it didnt hurt and i got back up straight after for more. hurt the next day though.

                          kung fu may be more vastly used in the East, may even be harder but i still believe that the vast majority of practitioners arent going to be "true masters" as you say, just as the vast amount of boxers arent Floyd Mayweather, etc

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                          • #14
                            I've heard police stories of instances where people are so doped up on drugs it literally takes 7 police officers just to restrain someone. Not to mention they're shrugging off the mace like it's nothing! On top of that I think there are even some cases where these drugees would take bullet after bullet without stopping their relentless attack.

                            Drugs are bad mmkay :-\.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bjjexpertise@be View Post
                              it literally takes 7 police officers just to restrain someone...shrugging off the mace like it's nothing...take bullet after bullet without stopping their relentless attack.



                              So, are you saying 'dopedupondrugs-fu' would be good for real self defense?
                              Last edited by gregimotis; 01-16-2009, 10:45 AM.

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