Wtf??

[BoarSpear]

Answer the question.

Exactly what i expected...that explains your views...they are based on YOUR emotional views and attachments

go ahead amuse me...give me your take on it...I have made my views quite clear in the past. All we have from you is move the ARABS out of the middle east so the jews can get ALL of it..and the oil

[treelizard]

First of all, I'll point out that you haven't answered ANY of my questions or responded to ANY of my points that are based on LOGIC, except with insults.

Second of all, Israeli soldiers have FOUGHT and DIED for the land. This isn't about oil, this is about survival. And there's this rule, that if you fight a war, and you lose, you REALLY lose. And if you start five wars and lose, you STILL lose.

Here's a question for you, instead of me "amusing" you by attempting to justify our right to exist, why don't you tell me why the world stood and did nothing, or participated, as 6 million Jews were slaughtered? Or here's another question: how are Jews supposed to survive in a world with inquisitions, crusades, pogroms, and Aushwitz?

[medic06]

I didn't expect Saddam to lead the charge, but at least Bush shows up to brief the people, to set the objectives, and to actually occupy his assigned office.

Are you talking about the same president who stayed on vacation while a category 4 hurricane slammed into his country and then didn't do anything until he flew over the damage 3 days later?

[BoarSpear]

First of all, I'll point out that you haven't answered ANY of my questions or responded to ANY of my points that are based on LOGIC, except with insults.

Second of all, Israeli soldiers have FOUGHT and DIED for the land. This isn't about oil, this is about survival. And there's this rule, that if you fight a war, and you lose, you REALLY lose. And if you start five wars and lose, you STILL lose.

Here's a question for you, instead of me "amusing" you by attempting to justify our right to exist, why don't you tell me why the world stood and did nothing, or participated, as 6 million Jews were slaughtered? Or here's another question: how are Jews supposed to survive in a world with inquisitions, crusades, pogroms, and Aushwitz?

you have all the right in the world to exist...and if you want to stay in isreal you should do it alone, without the USA's weapons or money. I am not jewish, i dont want to get nuked so the jews can have a certain piece of land

since you CANT stay alone you try to GUILT trip people into helping you reach your religous lands...now i have to fight your holy war for you?

America is the supply line or lifeline of Isreal...without us israel is DEAD and gone. According to military theory that makes us a logical target...

I served 6 months attached to the Isreali Defense Force working in Explosive ordinance disposal...I spent more time in the united Nations multi national peace keeping force in Beruit. (1980-1986) you might say ive been there done that and the T shirt died of old age

you have been going back rewritting your older post as well, cute
You didnt ask me to state my opinion, i asked yours...you suddenly flipped out....

Why were 6 million jews killed? Why have jews been chased from everywhere they went? why have so many different cultures tried to wipe jews out? I dont know, you tell me. Why does everyone hate jews so bad? Even god left them wandering in the desert for 500 years, i have to agree you have gotten the wrong end of the stick for as long as history has been recorded. I have stated before ISREAL is my favorite spot on the planet, i wanted to move there...i wasnt willing to risk the lives of my family for the nice spot though...the land doesnt make them isreali...the people who built that land and their character defined them, not the spot they call home.

dont try to act like i dont like jews, i love the ones in Isreal, they are incredable people, and THEY dont have a chip on their shoulder, whats YOUR problem?

[BoarSpear]

First of all, I'll point out that you haven't answered ANY of my questions or responded to ANY of my points that are based on LOGIC, except with insults.

Second of all, Israeli soldiers have FOUGHT and DIED for the land. This isn't about oil, this is about survival. And there's this rule, that if you fight a war, and you lose, you REALLY lose. And if you start five wars and lose, you STILL lose.

Here's a question for you, instead of me "amusing" you by attempting to justify our right to exist, why don't you tell me why the world stood and did nothing, or participated, as 6 million Jews were slaughtered? Or here's another question: how are Jews supposed to survive in a world with inquisitions, crusades, pogroms, and Aushwitz?

This was logic? you spazzed out...none of those things exist today ...As for us not doing anything to stop Hitler... there was this little thing called WW2 a WHOLE LOT of people died who werent jewish, it ended the prison camps you said we didnt do anything about...youre welcome.

Oh yeah an interesting fact for you, American soldiers have died so you can live in Israel as well....doesnt that give US some say?

[treelizard]

[QUOTE]

you have all the right in the world to exist...and if you want to stay in isreal you should do it alone, without the USA's weapons or money. I am not jewish, i dont want to get nuked so the jews can have a certain piece of land

The U.S. did not support Israel much 40 years ago, and Arabs hated the U.S. about the same. Remember, most of them were Soviet client states, it was all Cold War politics. And for the record, the U.S. wasn’t giving Israel money at the time—in fact they wouldn’t even sell Israel the arms they need to keep up with the Arabs, in order not to anger Arab states.

And as far as aid, the U.S. does not give Israel dollars, they give them "Credits" which must be purchased from the U.S. so the money never even leaves the U.S. And do you know how much money the U.S. gives every other country in the region? Also, the U.S. gives the second highest amount of aid to "Palestinian" refugees. Guess who gives the most? Israel.

since you CANT stay alone you try to GUILT trip people into helping you reach your religous lands...now i have to fight your holy war for you?

Actually, just asking the U.S. to stay out of Israel's business. Israel doesn't tell the U.S. how to deal with their enemies...unless they are ASKED of course...

America is the supply line or lifeline of Isreal...without us israel is DEAD and gone. According to military theory that makes us a logical target...

See above. And by the way, it is spelled I-S-R-A-E-L.

you have been going back rewritting your older post as well, cute
You didnt ask me to state my opinion, i asked yours...you suddenly flipped out....

I haven't rewritten anything in this thread. You, on the other hand...

And what exactly is "flipping out"--sharing historical facts?

left them wandering in the desert for 500 years,

Actually, the Jews only wandered the desert for 40 years, not 500. I'm glad that Israel is your favorite spot on the planet. It's my favorite spot too. I was born there.

I have stated before ISREAL is my favorite spot on the planet, i wanted to move there...i wasnt willing to risk the lives of my family for the nice spot though...the land doesnt make them isreali...the people who built that land and their character defined them, not the spot they call home.

dont try to act like i dont like jews, i love the ones in Isreal, they are incredable people, and THEY dont have a chip on their shoulder, whats YOUR problem?

You love the Jews in Israel so much that you want them to be deported to New Orleans and have the land that they have fought and died for turned over in order to appease terrorists. Makes a lot of sense to me.

And if wanting to defend one's home is called "having a chip on one's shoulder" then believe me the Jews in Israel have it a lot worse than I do. They are out there doing it.

This was logic? you spazzed out...none of those things exist today ...

And this has nothing to do with the existence of Israel, right?

And yes, there is still anti-Semitism the world over, which you can read about here: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/40258.htm

As for us not doing anything to stop Hitler... there was this little thing called WW2 a WHOLE LOT of people died who werent jewish, it ended the prison camps you said we didnt do anything about...youre welcome.

Thanks, sure took you long enough though.

and I'll also add that the U.S. deliberately stopped the Jews from immigrating, even though this went AGAINST Truman's policies. To read about procrastination in Congress and strong national prejudice leading to prolonged suffering of Jewish Holocaust survivors, look read the book Redemption of the Unwanted.

Oh yeah an interesting fact for you, American soldiers have died so you can live in Israel as well....doesnt that give US some say?

Does that mean that Israel should have say over US policies?

I mean, Israel destroyed the Iraqi nuclear weapons program at Osirak so the U.S. didn't have to face a nuclear-armed Saddam in '91 and '03 and could therefore engage in conventional warfare. Israel destroyed Soviet anti-aircraft batteries in Lebanon, shifting the entire balance of power globally and contributing to the eventual disintegration of the Soviet Union.
Israel is the largest secure aircraft carrier in a critical region for the US and has been the only state letting American troops fly over Israeli airspace--in a heartbeat. Israel shares vital intelligence with the US, more than all the NATO countries put together (according to a former US Senator), reducing American losses in Afghanistan and Iraq and helping prevent attacks on US soil. Israel gave the US intelligence regarding Soviet arms which saved the US billions of dollars.

Israel is responsible for hundreds of improvements in fighter jets, also worth billions of dollars. And immediately after the battle of Jenin, American officers flew to Israel to meet with the IDF. What do you think they were doing, drinking tea? Not to mention all those exercises they run in the desert which you may know about.

Remember in 1967 when Israel held back a radical pro-Soviet offensive, which had the potential to bring about the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes and disrupt oil supplies? Remember in 1970 when Israel brought about the withdrawl of Syrian forces from Jordan while the U.S. was tied up with wars in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia? You wanna live under the fall of the Hashemite regime that could possible have reached the Gulf states and Saudi Arabia? Remember when Israel provided the intelligence information that disrupted Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi’s plan to assassinate Egyptian President Anwar Sadat?

And most recently just this year, Israel has provided the U.S. with the most extensive information in homeland security and warfare against car bombs and suicide bombers, as well as providing U.S. Marines with vital intelligence as they fly abouve the Sunni Triangle in Iraq.

(Oh and one more thing--remember when Saddam fired 43 Scuds, 39 of which were aimed at Israel? Israel wasn't even part of the coalition attacking Iraq! Dare I suggest that the U.S. puts Israel at risk? I already gave the example about the U.S. not letting Israel secure the border. Thanks Condoleeza.)

Israel's security is the key to the security for the rest of the world.

[BoarSpear]

wow lizard you seem to be up on your history, good explain why your nation attacked the USS Liberty On june 7th 1967? she was 13 MILES out to sea in international waters, CLEARLY marked as a United States Navy ship. yet for 2 hours israeli jets and boats attacked her...821 rocket and missle hits and 3000 rounds of armor piercing round hits were later counted. What did that american spy ship catch your country doing to people that you attacked our ship and killed its crew to silence them?

guess you guys didnt know one of our submarines recorded the whole attack on periscope...nice of your people to jam the radio waves so our survivors couldnt even call for help...

too bad for you..guess you guys didnt know one of our submarines recorded the whole attack on periscope...Our planes arrived and chased your people off...Israel has never given an explanation...care to try?

[BoarSpear]

Israel's security is the key to the security for the rest of the world.

WTF?? how the hell do you get that wacky idea? you dont have a bit of an ego problem do you?

[treelizard]

http://pnews.org/art/ussliberty.shtml

[treelizard]

WTF?? how the hell do you get that wacky idea? you dont have a bit of an ego problem do you?

Go back and reread what I wrote, I think I explained it pretty clearly.

[BoarSpear]

Quotes from the commision that did the liberty investigation

"The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as “murderous bastards.” It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident.

I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as their superiors, who had ordered the attack, were well aware that the ship was American.

I saw the flag, which had visibly identified the ship as American, riddled with bullet holes, and heard testimony that made it clear that the Israelis intended there be no survivors. 10. Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded — a war crime."

[BoarSpear]

http://pnews.org/art/ussliberty.shtml

HAHAHAHA thats a LOAD OF CRAP!! The HUGE flag the ship was flying is part of the evidence...so is the testimony and video tape from the sub

This is all crap huh?

CAPITOL HILL, WASHINGTON, D.C.
OCTOBER 22, 2003

ADMIRAL THOMAS H. MOORER, UNITED STATES NAVY, (RET.)
Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
Chairman, Liberty Alliance

GENERAL RAYMOND G. DAVIS, UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, (MOH)*
Former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps
Vice Chairman, Liberty Alliance

REAR ADMIRAL MERLIN STARING, UNITED STATES NAVY, (RET.)
Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy
Director, Liberty Alliance

AMBASSADOR JAMES AKINS, (RET.)
Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia
Director, Liberty Alliance

We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following: **

1.

That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against the USS Liberty, the world’s most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 172 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of seventy percent, in a crew of 294);
2.

That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on the Liberty’s bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;
3.

That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of the Liberty’s firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty’s life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded;
4.

That there is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;
5.

That in attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;
6.

That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;
7.

That although the Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship’s Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crewmembers were later threatened with “court-martial, imprisonment or worse” if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government;
8.

That due to the influence of Israel’s powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;
9.

That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;
10.

That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy’s 1967 Court of Inquiry of the Liberty attack;
11.

That the truth about Israel’s attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;
12.

That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel’s interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend the USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States.

WHEREUPON, we, the undersigned, in order to fulfill our duty to the brave crew of the USS Liberty and to all Americans who are asked to serve in our Armed Forces, hereby call upon the Department of the Navy, the Congress of the United States and the American people to immediately take the following actions:

FIRST: That a new Court of Inquiry be convened by the Department of the Navy, operating with Congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers; and to thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the attack on the USS Liberty, with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services, and to determine Israel’s possible motive in launching said attack on a U.S. naval vessel;

SECOND: That every appropriate committee of the Congress of the United States investigate the actions of the White House and Defense Department that prevented the rescue of the USS Liberty, thereafter threatened her surviving officers and men if they exposed the truth, and covered up the true circumstances of the attack from the American people; and

THIRD: That the eighth day of June of every year be proclaimed to be hereafter known as
USS LIBERTY REMEMBRANCE DAY, in order to commemorate the Liberty’s heroic crew; and to educate the American people of the danger to our national security inherent in any passionate attachment of our elected officials for any foreign nation.

We, the undersigned, hereby affix our hands and seals, this 22nd day of October, 2003.

Thomas H. Moorer

Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff,
Chairman, Liberty Alliance

General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC, MOH*
Vice Chairman, Liberty Alliance

Merlin Staring
Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret.,
Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,
Director, Liberty Alliance

James Akins
Ambassador James Akins, Ret.,
Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia,
Director, Liberty Alliance

[BoarSpear]

Commonly Asked Questions about the USS Liberty
Prepared by the Independent Commission of Inquiry

1. What happened to the USS Liberty?
The USS Liberty was a virtually unarmed American navy ship that was attacked by Israeli planes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967.

2. What were the American casualties?
34 American sailors were killed and 172 injured that day, a casualty rate of 70%. This is among the highest casualty rates ever inflicted upon a U.S. naval vessel.

3. What was Israel’s explanation for the attack?
Israel claimed the attack was “a case of mistaken identity”; that they didn’t know it was an American ship.

4. Why would we question that explanation more than 30 years later?
The ship’s survivors were afraid to speak out in the early years because of threats of “court martial, prison or worse” if they did not remain silent. However, as time passed, they have stepped forward to say the attack was deliberate.

Recently, high government and military officials have suggested that not only was the attack deliberate, but that the US government covered-up the incident. Today, an Independent Commission of Inquiry has found that Israel committed “an act of war” against the United States (see Findings of Independent Commission).

In addition, the Navy’s chief attorney to the original 1967 military Court of Inquiry has issued a statement that orders to cover-up the incident were issued by President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara [see Statement of Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAG (Ret.)].

5. Did Israel have reason to believe the USS Liberty was an Egyptian ship?
Israel says its pilots and torpedo boat commanders confused the USS Liberty with the El Quseir, an Egyptian ship allegedly firing upon its forces in the Sinai. But there was no Egyptian naval bombardment that day; nor did the El Quseir (an unarmed 1920s-era horse carrier out of service in Alexandria) bear any resemblance to the Liberty.

6. Isn’t it difficult to identify a ship if you’re in an airplane?
In 1967, the USS Liberty was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world, with dozens of large antennas, including a large moon-bounce “satellite-dish” mounted on a tall structure near the stern. It may have been one of the most easily identifiable ships of any navy in the world. With a displacement of 10,000 tons, it was four times the size of the antique Egyptian transport it is claimed to have resembled. Freshly painted, the Liberty carried large white identification numbers on its bow. Egyptian hull numbers are painted black.

7. Doesn’t Israel say that the Liberty flew no flag?
According to American survivors, a 5-by-8 feet American flag was hoisted early that morning and was flying all day until it was shot away by attacking aircraft. Within several minutes, it was replaced by the giant 7-by-13 feet holiday ensign, which flew for the duration of the attack.

8. Could Israel have thought the ship was in a war zone, acting suspiciously?
According to surviving crewmembers, Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty over an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying within two hundred feet of the ship. At all times the Liberty was a clearly marked American ship in international waters, proceeding at a speed of only 5 knots.

9. What was the weather like the day of the attack?
Weather reports confirm that it was a clear day with unlimited visibility. The Israeli reconnaissance planes could have seen the Liberty’s crew sunbathing on the upper decks just before the attack. The flag was flying in a 12-knot breeze for most of the afternoon.

10. Doesn’t Israel say they ended the attack the minute they saw someone hoist an American flag?
The Israeli attack by combined air and naval forces spanned two hours — as long as the attack on Pearl Harbor. The air attack alone lasted approximately 25 minutes: consisting of more than 30 sorties by approximately 12 separate planes using napalm, cannon, and rockets which left 821 holes in the ship. Following the air attack, three Israeli motor torpedo boats torpedoed the ship, causing a 40’x 40’ wide hole in her hull, and machine-gunning firefighters and stretcher-bearers attempting to save their ship and crew. More than 3,000 machine-gun bullet holes were later counted on the Liberty’s hull. After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range. This was followed by the approach of two large Israeli Army assault helicopters filled with armed commandos carrying what appeared to be explosive satchels (they departed after hovering over the ship for several minutes, making no attempt to communicate).

11. Did the Liberty send out a distress signal when it was under attack?
Throughout the air attack, the Liberty’s radio operators found it difficult to transmit a distress signal because the attacking Israeli aircraft jammed all five of the Liberty’s American, not Egyptian, emergency radio channels. However, a call for help did reach the U.S. Navy command in the Mediterranean.

12. What was the American response time?
Although American carrier-based air support was only 40 minutes away, help did not reach the USS Liberty for seventeen hours. Navy fighters were launched from the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga while the Liberty was under attack. However, they were quickly recalled by the White House. This is the only instance in American naval history where a rescue mission was cancelled when an American ship was under attack.

13. Why would Israel have deliberately attacked an American ship?
Israel’s motive for launching the attack has never been determined with certainty. This is why an impartial investigation is critical. One hypothesis is that Israel intended to sink the ship (with no survivors) and blame Egypt because this might have brought the United States into the 1967 war. Another hypothesis is that the Liberty was gathering intelligence about activities that Israel did not want revealed. Examples might include the massacre of Egyptian prisoners of war that was then occurring in the Sinai, as well as Israel’s impending invasion of Syria.

14. Has the incident been investigated in the past?
Some people say that there have been “thirteen official investigations” all concluding the attack was a case of mistaken identity. Several were conducted by Israel. Upon examination, however, every one is based upon the conclusions of the original 1967 US Navy Court of Inquiry, which accepted the Israeli version, but which has been exposed and discredited by its chief attorney as a cover-up.

15. Did the surviving crewmembers testify in the other investigations?
In not one of these “investigations” were any of the Liberty’s surviving crewmembers permitted to publicly testify.

16. Why would the White House prevent the rescue of an American ship?
This is, perhaps, the most disturbing question arising out of Israel’s attack. It is why there needs to be a thorough investigation of the actions taken by the White House and the Secretary of Defense. Why did they order the recall of the planes that had been sent to rescue the Liberty? Why did they order that the survivors be silenced and the true facts be withheld from the American people?

17. What kind of investigation are you calling for?
We are calling for a new Court of Inquiry by the Department of the Navy, with congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers and otherwise thoroughly examine the circumstances of the attack.

18. Why are you calling for a naval — and not a congressional — investigation?
We believe this would remove the inquiry from the political pressures traditionally exerted by special interest groups upon individual congressional offices. Fundraising and election pressures have prevented an honest investigation from being conducted for the past 36 years.

19. Why is this significant for the American people 36 years later?
We have a duty to the crew of the USS Liberty, while the survivors are still alive to testify, and while the perpetrators can be brought to justice. Furthermore, any policies that paralyze our elected leadership to the extent they become unable or unwilling to protect Americans and American interests, endangers not only the safety of all Americans but also the national security of the United States.

20. Doesn’t America have a special relationship with Israel?
No nation or people should be above the law; nor should American interests be subordinated to the interests of any foreign nation. Those Israelis responsible for ordering the attack and the resulting murder of American sailors must be held accountable for their actions.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-qa.html

[treelizard]

http://www.answers.com/topic/uss-liberty-incident

"Israel denied all accusations that the attack was deliberate using the following arguments:

The incident took place during the Six Day War when Israel was engaged in battles with three Arab countries, creating an environment where mistakes and confusion were prevalent. For example, at 11:45, a few hours before the attack, there was a large explosion on the shores of El-Arish followed by black smoke, probably caused by the destruction of a ammunition dump by retreating Egyptian forces. The Israeli army thought the area was being bombarded, and that an unidentified ship off-shore was responsible. (According to US sources, the USS Liberty was 14 miles from those shores at the time of the attack.)

The attacking aircraft used napalm and machine guns, rather ineffective armament for attacking a ship.

Liberty opened fire first on the gunboats.

No adequate benefit has been put forward that the Israelis would derive from the attack on an American ship, especially considering the high cost of the predictable complications that must inevitably follow such an attack on a powerful ally, and the fact that Israel immediately notified the American embassy after the attack."

[BoarSpear]

New Findings Reveal Israel and U.S. Covered Up Deliberate Israeli Attack on U.S. Navy Ship in 1967
Chief Attorney to Original Navy Court of
Inquiry Breaks 3 Decades of Silence;
Exposes Cover-up by Johnson White House

34 Americans Killed, 172 Injured in
Israeli “Act of War” on June 8th, 1967

Washington DC. (October 22, 2003) A new report released today by former officials from the highest level of the military and government reveals that Israel “committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States” when it deliberately attacked the USS Liberty and killed 34 American crewmembers in 1967. (See the Findings of the Independent Commission of Inquiry).

In addition, the Chief Attorney to the original 1967 Navy Court of Inquiry has stated in a sworn affidavit that then-President Johnson and then-Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered the Court of Inquiry to cover up the attack by presenting it as a mistake. (See the Sworn Affidavit of Ward Boston)

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-newfindings.html