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[PFC_Kurtz_John]

...... does every new topic allways turn out to be a big argument about the war or its over seas policys ?


Befor you post what is wrong with everything try and tell me what you would have done if you were in the Presednts shoes.

[jubaji]

If that's the way you honestly feel, what the **** does it take to be a bad guy in your book?

That's easy. To be a bad guy in his book you just need to be an American.

[jubaji]

buh-bye

This shit keeps up, and I'll move to Canada.

Why wait? Do you think you'll be missed?

[jubaji]

Deny it, go ahead, it just makes it funnier...thats what Icke tried to do when caught as well

Well, you go ahead and get your fill of 'crazy' then. If you want to keep going on about whatever the hell it is you are going on about, be my guest. If you don't think everyone here is wondering "what the **** is this guy getting on about?" then you are further divorced from reality than even I gave you credit for.

[Garland]

I will say this much, and only this much, on my stance against the war.
I saw no rational reason to place ties between Sept. 11 and Iraq. When Saddam tried to have a civil discourse with Bush, we bombed him. (remember before the bombs started dropping, newscasts showed Saddam asking for a conference with G.W.?)
Furthermore, the past history between the Bush and Saddam dynasties suggested alterior motives for our initiation to attack Iraq, as does their oil reserves.
Why are we letting our young men die for this bullshit?!
Is this going to be another Korea or another Vietnam. The war on terror is about as inane and fucking dumb as the war on communism, or the war on drugs. It's a misnomer.
The suicide/martyr shit has been done for hundreds of years, look at the bonzai charges in WW2. Killing civilians as a tactic has been used by every nation, country, tribe, gang on the face of the fucking planet. War is terror. If you don't call the threat of nuclear war, or the bombing of cities filled with civilians terrorism...I don't know what the **** to respond. We have all of that shit in our back pocket, but because they COULD, perhaps SOMEDAY have it, we go ape shit and start a war.

What is the ultimate goal of these guys? To kill every American? Why??? Doesn't that seem at least a little questionable?

What WAS sept. 11th all about, anyway? For the symbolism? Jesus...go after the terrorist groups, don't start invading countries, because in a way...that (to throw the same shit back in the Republicans face) would mean that the terrorists win. Because it almost justifies the fucked up shit they do. We make it so we're as bad as they say we are. We're feeding the fire by bringing ourselves down to their level.

Shit. Both sides are fucked. All are punished. Bush and the red-state duchebags show the worst of America to the rest of the world, and the fucking terrorists, they show the world the worst side of Islam.
God help American Muslims in the rest of the world's eyes. (har de har har. I'm only half joking.)

This shit keeps up, and I'll move to Canada. That's right, I'll dodge the draft.
Why? Because as much as I love and respect America, and I AM a patriot...I don't have to buy into the bullshit propaganda that the government is feeding us, nor do I have to agree with our government's decisions. I will not die because some assholes at the reigns decides to abuse America and exploit it to promote their own agendas.
God bless America, God help Americans, God damn politicians.
And for God sakes, SAVE our troops from these assholes!

[BoarSpear]

Do you honestly think that Saddam was a good guy, minding his own business, no threat to anyone (except maybe the kurds and residents of the southern wetlands whose land he drained and whose people he attempted to eradicate - and the Shiites, and the Sunnis who didn't agree with him. Oh, oh...and the Israelis, and the westerners he offered rewards for killing. And, um, the "criminals" who opposed his genocidal policies and committed such heinous crimes as speaking their opinions. And the women he allowed his sons to kidnap and rape, then throw out of upper floor windows to die slowly on the streets below. Oh, and the people he had his sons murder, just so they'd understand the feeling of taking life)? If that's the way you honestly feel, what the **** does it take to be a bad guy in your book?

Well we sure picked a piece of shit to do business with didnt we? I never said sadamm wasnt a piece of shit, but he isnt anymore guilty than his partners in crime. We went after him because he wasnt playing ball with the bushes anymore, not because he was a bad guy...

Do you think the guys we are training today are any less likely to be the problem in 10 years? We are making nice with new shitheads right now, gee i wonder where thats gonna lead?

what buddies have we made in the middle east that didnt shaft us?..So why arm and train a new group?...

[BoarSpear]

And the fact that no more oil or lower prices have resulted or are likely to in the foreseeable future therefore puts the lie to yet another of your hysterical drama-queen fantasies.
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hey Jr i didnt say oil was gonna be cheaper , my point was it isnt...Mike Brewer said maybe we could get cheap oil for the people in N.O. not me...

[BoarSpear]

You are really off in your own little world on this one, champ. Really.

Deny it, go ahead, it just makes it funnier...thats what Icke tried to do when caught as well

[BoarSpear]

So again your buddy Saddam was just a poor innocent victim who was minding his own business when the big bully came along and bothered him for no reason? Ok

And the fact that no more oil or lower prices have resulted or are likely to in the foreseeable future therefore puts the lie to yet another of your hysterical drama-queen fantasies.

You're a side-show clown. Back to the hideout with you.

thank you Mr Icke really man it all makes sense, you use his style and his tactics

Sadamm isnt my buddy he is George Bush Sr's pissed off business partner

[jubaji]

whatever dude dont even waste youre time acting like you arent parroting Icke's agenda.

You are really off in your own little world on this one, champ. Really.

[jubaji]

so your complaint is ..."after we bombed his nation, and destroyed his military he dealt with less than desirable people?".... ...we created the situation...If we never attacked him and starved his people, he wouldnt have had to turn to the religious nuts for help huh? So we did this to ourselves enjoy that cheap oil...oh wait it aint very freakin cheap is it?....

So again your buddy Saddam was just a poor innocent victim who was minding his own business when the big bully came along and bothered him for no reason? Ok

And the fact that no more oil or lower prices have resulted or are likely to in the foreseeable future therefore puts the lie to yet another of your hysterical drama-queen fantasies.

You're a side-show clown. Back to the hideout with you.

[jubaji]

Who changed their tune? you claim Saddam was muslim extremist terrorist friend.......

If you mean that he used, supported, and sponsored terrorism, it is a matter of fact. Put down the UFO mags once in a while.

[BoarSpear]

BoarSpear,
Here are some highlights. I never said Saddam was friends with Iran, either. I said he allowed terrorists to travel freely in and out of Iran and Syria. This is twice now you've tried to twist my words to fit your arguments...

At any rate, here are some examples off the top of my head. I'll look up some more. And before you claim that these are more Bush-lip, most of what you're about to read was written and decided during the Clinton years.

Iraq is one of seven countries that have been designated by the Secretary of State as state sponsors of international terrorism. UNSCR 687 prohibits Saddam Hussein from committing or supporting terrorism, or allowing terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Saddam continues to violate these UNSCR provisions.



In 1993, the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) directed and pursued an attempt to assassinate, through the use of a powerful car bomb, former U.S. President George Bush and the Emir of Kuwait. Kuwaiti authorities thwarted the terrorist plot and arrested 16 suspects, led by two Iraqi nationals.



Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians.


Iraq shelters several prominent Palestinian terrorist organizations in Baghdad, including the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), which is known for aerial attacks against Israel and is headed by Abu Abbas, who carried out the 1985 hijacking of the cruise ship Achille Lauro and murdered U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer.


Iraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq.


In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers. The rules for rewarding suicide/homicide bombers are strict and insist that only someone who blows himself up with a belt of explosives gets the full payment. Payments are made on a strict scale, with different amounts for wounds, disablement, death as a "martyr" and $25,000 for a suicide bomber. Mahmoud Besharat, a representative on the West Bank who is handing out to families the money from Saddam, said, "You would have to ask President Saddam why he is being so generous. But he is a revolutionary and he wants this distinguished struggle, the intifada, to continue."


Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

HUH so a united nations Sanction was defied...I dont see the UN bombing them or invading them...In fact i see the US pissing them off by attacking Iraq when The UN didnt want to.

i didnt twist your words, your president twisted the game...Iraq used US supplied weapons and had SF advisors during its war with IRAN...US soldiers invaded IRAN leading assaults...British SAS helped them by leading divers to sink shipping...that doesnt sound like Saddam and IRAN cooperating much
that sounds like a Bush and Saddam cooperating NOW that the US has invaded Iraq, they have something in common with IRAN, an enemy...If you dont like it bitch at bush not me

Its a known fact enemies bond together to fight a greater threat...are you denying the USA is a larger threat than any other middle eastern nation? didnt think so...they ALL KNOW when one falls we will use it to gain a toe hold and strengthen our military platform in the area. they all know we are going to defend israel...so that makes us their enemy..We know it, they know it.

[BoarSpear]

Is this another of your conspiracy things? You are really coming off as more of a lunatic than usual.

whatever dude dont even waste youre time acting like you arent parroting Icke's agenda.

[BoarSpear]

There's a difference between states sponsoring terrorism and people who live there sponsoring terrorism. Either way, it's wrong, but there is a difference just the same. Besides, the Brits DID declare us an insurgent nation and tried to invade us once before - it was called the American Revolution.

Really whats the difference? Which one dont we respond to by bombing and or invading?

What type of terrorist were we bombing in afghanistan?... we still have troops on the ground and bombers in the air there...

How did it turn out different for the civilians on the ground when our bombs started falling in afghanistan than the civilians who died in Iraq?

it isnt like saddams army was volunteer so why slaughter it on the road? how do you surrender to a b-52? We bombed them for a month before the troops who were forced to fight could even see us to surrender!

besides if it is state sponsored, doesnt that mean the GOVT supports it?
So why bomb the people? bush has less than a 40% approval rating...doesnt that qualify this as a state sponsored war?

since we claim the people didnt support saddam why did we have to bomb them?

if they agree with the govt, then thats a nation of the people sponsoring terrorist..so which is it mike? and which one is right to kill the civilians over?