The Warrior’s Code

[TTEscrima]

Are you all wanting me to clean house, is that what you are suggesting?

I've got no problem if you want to require real names and info and verification of peoples abilities to post, it definitely reduces trolling and increases the level of discussion and participation by people with something to say aside from chasing people around posting BS behind every post they make. It's tiresome trying to get a discussion going when the same clowns troll constantly and run people off, especially when no matter what you post doesn't suit the trolls.

[TTEscrima]

I would hardly label darrian a troll, he is a long time member who has made some great contributions.

I don't recall labeling darrian a troll, In fact I'm certain I didn't, I've questioned some of his comments and assertions that's for sure. But at least he is man enough to discuss issues and defend his points, that I respect.

I'm curious though what criteria you think would be good for selecting members of a board with as wide a viewership as this one has.

Well if someone runs thousands of posters off a forum over the years with his supposed expertise on a subject I don't think requiring them to verify their credentials is unfair. Every member need not be verified, but when a prolific poster claims knowledge in an art and makes discussion of those topics tedious and unpleasant to damn near impossible yet refuses to back it up it detracts from the forum. You've got several dead forums because people won't tolerate the trolling and personal attacks posting in them draws. Members of boards with vetting processes visit each other and their talk is put to the test. If you look around you'll see that nearly every famous Martial artists has abandoned open forums due to trolls, Bas Rutten posted here years ago for instance no more though. Boards that vett members and have levels that only vetted members can read have great topics and famous Martial artists posting there to this day and not a single troll to be found on any of them.

one of the things about this board has been that I have tried since being a moderator to reduce censorship to a minimum. That means you pretty much have to learn to put up with people who's views you do not agree with.

Yet you're here threatening bannings. But the following is not only condoned its rewarded.

I guess TTExcrement would know from his years of experience training in China...


I wonder what he copied and pasted there?

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/c...tml#post303135 post 19

I guess TTExcrement would know from his years of experience training in China...


I wonder what he copied and pasted there?

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/c...tml#post303135 post 17

copy and paste

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/o...tml#post303110 post 2

Your copy-and-paste-fu is strong, Grasshopper.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/t...tml#post302841 post 3

And now TTExcrement will copy and paste ten more pages of someone else's words...


...and KOTF will use it as an excuse for self-aggrandizement.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/t...-s-code-2.html post 16

The copy and pasting here is hard core!

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/t...-s-code-2.html post 23

Say, isn't that kind of like how Boring is living in your basement? Congratulations on having a job, but I'm afraid that doesn't justify socialist fear mongering, comrade.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/o...tml#post302981 post 9

You don't really think the content of that post was KOTF's original work, do you?

You-know-who is lurking and telling his minions what to say, if not dictating to them word for word.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/u...tml#post302688 post71

He truly is a theory-boy. Probably been trying to grow his own ponytail for years now.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/u...tml#post302630 post 66

TTExcrement, such a champion.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/u...tml#post302630 post 63

I guess TTExcrement would know from his years of experience training in China...


I wonder what he copied and pasted there?



What exactly did you do during your years in China, TTExcrement?

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/c...dy-cmas-2.html post 24

Isn't it about time for you to cut and past someone else's words again, Champ?

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/c...ng-master.html post 9

Anyway, while those two are off on Brokeback Mountain...

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/t...tml#post302474 post 8

There are other boards where elitist people can go have their little club and try and impress the same old people with how smart they are. But this isn't that kind of place.

If by elitist you mean adults who would like to discuss subjects of interest with being showered by sexual harassment (which according to your rules will result in banning but 8000 posts later he still does it) and childish behavior then yep, I'm one of them. Its clear that discussion with hopes of improvement in martial arts isn't what this board is about, Perhaps a look at the person with the most posts gives a look at what it is about eh?

I guess these forum rules don't apply to jubaji since in AT LEAST 7000 posts he defies your authority with impunity.

The Rules of this forum are as follows.

1. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS
2. Inappropriate content will not be tolerated.
3. Off Topic Posts will be moved or deleted.
4. Spammers will be BAN without warning
5. Stupidity, Idiocy, or hostility to towards any moderator or administrator will result in that member being BANNED without warning!!!!
6. Threats made to any member of the forum will result in that member being BANNED.

I will do this on my own, and will not even bother to consult Mr. Brewer or Mr. Mousel on this. I refuse to read childish nonsense spread throughout the forum.

These rules maybe amended and applied retroactively at anytime by any and all moderators or Mr. Mousel.

...Be aware even long time posters need to display a basic level of respect for other posters with differing view points.

Additionally, religious, racial, and sexual bigotry will not be tolerated.

ExcessiveForce

[kingoftheforest]

Wasting time and breath

TTE this has been discussed more than a few times before you came on these boards. I believe I even told you about this and warned you even.

The answer that was given by the powers that be every time we discuss this was that said troll(s) are kept around because they amuse the controlling parties on these forums.

The specific troll mentioned above has had several temp bans but seems to be able to sign in and look around on the forum. Even we he is ban he still shows up on the "Members who have visited this site today manifest."

Sure lots of other forums make a healthy profit off of premier members as well as advertising, but I guess the banner ads here pay the bills fine. I'm guessing this site would have a lot more paying members if people knew they weren't going to be banned for disagreeing with a Mods P.O.V. while being called a pole smoker in the process.

I guess Dickhardman while posting some great stuff just rubbed the Mod's the wrong way and got banned. He trolled at times but he also posted valid content more so than any other troll on here.

Just pop people on ignore and moderate it yourself that way. For some reason or another their are trolls that come and go on here, but then there are a couple of troll lap dogs that follow anyone around that doesn't "tow the line" and try to harass said people off the site.

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You just have to learn to put up with it just like you have to learn to put up with idiots who get drivers licenses. I've learned to do it.

If someone isn't smart enough to see the stupidity and look past it I'm not sure if I wanna converse with that person anyway.

I find that I help myself work through ideas by posting them on here more than it helps people on here learn.


Ignorance is temporary, stupidity is permanent.

Whoops lets see this should have been what 20-30 posts instead of one. Gotta get my quantity up. Naw I think I'll stick with quality instead.





This isn't in anyway meant to be offensive to the way the Mods run this site. It's just what I personally see from my P.O.V. if somebody has a diffrent view well like Mr. Wright says......"It's a free country".

[Guest]

Its clear that discussion with hopes of improvement in martial arts isn't what this board is about

In my experience, it is.

For every post that may stray into personal bickering, there are a thousand other posts across the different sections that focus solely on martial arts, with helpful advice from some very experienced people.

Your view is based on the fact that you seem to be predominently involved in the threads that stray into personal bickering, and its not difficult for me to understand why. From the outset you have displayed an inherent need to dominate discussions and overpower the views of others. When that is not acheived and someone isn't falling into line, you start blaming them, blaming the forum, and blaming the moderators.

This is a forum of debate. Everyone on here is just as entitled as you are to express their own views in their own way, just because its not your way doesn't make it wrong. So just say what you've got to say, then let others have the right to do the same. If you don't like what they say, or how they choose to say it, then I guess thats just tough shit bud.

[kingoftheforest]

Baffling

If I ask someone to stop doing something I expect them to comply. I may give them several chances, like I did with Dick, I have no tolerance for those who amuse themselves by preying on the weak.

Apparently some people get more chances than others. And apparently attacking users that have been banned and can't defend themselves isn't preying on the weak to you just because it's a Mod and he didn't like the person so he banned him and talks shit about that user constantly?

I'm not trying to start another shit flinger here I'm just trying to understand how the flow of logic runs.

There is a poster on this board that does absolutely nothing but start shit and we all know who he is.

He has run off some of the better members of the forum because nobody likes the kid in a college class who throws spitballs while an adult conversation is going on and he's still here.

There are several members some banned some not (and I am not saying you banned them XF) who provided useful information and conversation that are gone yet the one line wonder still remains. How does this make sense?

I have certain people on ignore whom I know have been complained about in an adult and proper manner who have never been reprimanded openly or as far as anyone on this forum has seen otherwise. Why is that?

Is there a sliding scale on here? If a certain Mod takes a personal dislike to someone just because he calls bullshit when he sees it, he's banned yet someone who does nothing but troll in almost 9k posts, most of them not even involving letters of the alphabet, seems to have free run on the forum.

I just want to know what the criteria is for moderating. Even if it is a little moderation as possible there has to be some kind of standard.

If you refer me back to the forum rules sticky I can show you where even after this has been posted certain member(s) and even a Mod have totally ignored and pissed on these rules.

I know in the past I wasn't the model forum member here. I know I got into some silly flame shit, but I left came back and have more than matured and cleaned up my act. Still I find the same childishness is being let run wild.

So I guess it boils down to .......What's the deal? Why do some people get to continuously and blatantly break the forum rules, while others get banned for defending their opinions and beliefs? Is there a set of opinions and beliefs we should follow or is it really as little moderation as possible?

I mean this not to be rude or question XF or the Mods who are fair and balanced (and XF you seem to handle most forum members across the board the same and equally) but some people get away with murder and others question one idea or set of ideals and BAM! their on the line all of a sudden.

[kingoftheforest]

In a rush at the moment, but I did want to comment.

No moderator that I am aware of receives any compensation for being here.

Who said anything about Mods getting paid. I was referring to the money needed to keep the site going. I know these sites don't get to stay on the net for free.

Sorry if it sounded like I said you guys get paid.

[kingoftheforest]

Because people shouldn't have to.

In my experience, it is.

For every post that may stray into personal bickering, there are a thousand other posts across the different sections that focus solely on martial arts, with helpful advice from some very experienced people.

Your view is based on the fact that you seem to be predominently involved in the threads that stray into personal bickering, and its not difficult for me to understand why. From the outset you have displayed an inherent need to dominate discussions and overpower the views of others. When that is not acheived and someone isn't falling into line, you start blaming them, blaming the forum, and blaming the moderators.

This is a forum of debate. Everyone on here is just as entitled as you are to express their own views in their own way, just because its not your way doesn't make it wrong. So just say what you've got to say, then let others have the right to do the same. If you don't like what they say, or how they choose to say it, then I guess thats just tough shit bud.

Some board don't have any probs at all you're right. Other boards on this forum can't get 2 posts out without seeing the exact same shitty one liners from the exact same people. You can't get a flow of ideas going when every other post is


"something of a homosexual reference" or

".........."

That's not tough shit that's bullshit.

If someone doesn't like a style of martial arts being discussed than STFU and stay out of it. Go post in what you are interested in. You don't have to have people shitting on every opinion you have who don't seem to have anything but shitty opinions themselves.

If you can't come into a thread and add to it intelligently, and all your are doing is deriding people and their beliefs and personally attacking other members than that is a direct violation of the forum rules.

Than how is that "tough shit"

You don't see me in boxing and wrestling forums do you? Yeah I could go in and talk all kinds of crap. I could go in and make homo references in the wrestling threads. But why waste my time.

I study CMA's and military combatives. I have studied boxing, TKD, MT and MMA, I don't now. Why do I need to go in and tell people they are full of shit who post on those boards? I don't, so I don't.

Why do you think it's OK for other people to do that and not contribute? Would you like someone to follow 85% of your posts with nothing but one line smartassed comments and sarcastic smileys Mr. Wright? Especially literally for years? Wouldn't that make you feel this person has an unhealthy interest?

Almost like a stalker on the boards.

People who are trying to have adult discussions shouldn't have to put up with this kind of crap. It's easy for you to say oh well because you don't have a little dog following you around sniffing your butt and making crappy comments.

A debate is the exchange of ideas and opinions not one person talking and another coming in behind them and talking shit or just making comments on their sexuality, who they live with, or just "......."


If you feel that name calling and belittling is a form of debate then I'm sorry I guess the definition I have and the one you have is separated by a huge chasm. I have been in heated debates with people like Mr. Brewer and Darian and they didn't turn into name calling contests. We exchanged ideas and opinions and eventually agreed to disagree most of the time. But we all admitted we learned.

Nobody learns anything from one line posts calling other people homo's.


Thanks for your time

KOTF

[jubaji]

I'm not trying to start another shit flinger here .

Oh of course not. Where would anyone ever get that idea?

[jubaji]

You don't see me in boxing and wrestling forums do you?

Come on over; you're more than welcome.

[jubaji]

posts, most of them not even involving letters of the alphabet

Like post #31 on this very thread?

[Tom Yum]

AH...such young impressionable minds. Warriors aren’t always shining knights in armor riding to the rescues of young damsels in distress on white steeds either.

True.

Genghis Khan is an example of a warrior whom although was considered tolerant of other religions and races of people, conquered Central Asian, Chinese and Russian tribes through superior tactics, organized brutality and straight-up violence.

While their tactics and victories are noteworthy, we are not the Mongolians. I believe TTE is spelling out the ideals of a warrior coming from the best military institutions of our nation - starting with mindset.

[kingoftheforest]

Your avatar is a real warrior example even if he's a comic.

True.

Genghis Khan is an example of a warrior whom although was considered tolerant of other religions and races of people, conquered Central Asian, Chinese and Russian tribes through superior tactics, organized brutality and straight-up violence.

Violence and brutality don't mean you are not a warrior. Now beating your wife or child to death is violent and brutal but that's not a warrior.

Most ancient civilizations had to conquer or be conquered first that was the rule of the day. Any kind of war is violent and brutal but a warrior does it because he believes in his leaders and the fact that he is preserving his country and belief system, not just cause he can. I don't any real warrior ever though of himself as a harlequin novel hero like some people seem to suggest.

[jubaji]

True.

Genghis Khan is an example of a warrior whom although was considered tolerant of other religions and races of people, conquered Central Asian, Chinese and Russian tribes through superior tactics, organized brutality and straight-up violence.

While their tactics and victories are noteworthy, we are not the Mongolians. I believe TTE is spelling out the ideals of a warrior coming from the best military institutions of our nation - starting with mindset.

That's an interesting question. Were folks like the Mongol warriors as 'reasonable' as they pracically could have been given the context of the time and situation they lived in? Does the definition of what is 'honorable' in war depend to some degree on the time and place within which it takes place, or is a universal, immutable objective measure possible? Further, how can we even discuss the matter without being prejudiced by our own values and contemporary judgements/interpretations/transmissions of history?

[TTEscrima]

Your view is based on the fact that you seem to be predominently involved in the threads that stray into personal bickering, and its not difficult for me to understand why. From the outset you have displayed an inherent need to dominate discussions and overpower the views of others. When that is not acheived and someone isn't falling into line, you start blaming them, blaming the forum, and blaming the moderators.

This is a forum of debate. Everyone on here is just as entitled as you are to express their own views in their own way, just because its not your way doesn't make it wrong. So just say what you've got to say, then let others have the right to do the same. If you don't like what they say, or how they choose to say it, then I guess thats just tough shit bud.

What you mean is from the outset I had the balls to point it out when people gave stupid advice, advised criminal assualt or expressed opinions about arts they didn't know jack shit about.

If you mean I dare to post in the CMA forum about GASP the Chinese arts or Urban combatives when some jackass says weapons are unnecessary for SD Or that LEO/FBI agents don't need H2H training or in Military tactics when people who've never been in the US Military start talking out their ass, then yep you got me again. If the fact that you were one of those people and it pissed you off...too damn bad, don't make idiotic comments and suggestions and expect them to be ignored.

[jubaji]

I think I have the solution! TTExcrement just needs to unplug his computer and talk to himself, then everyone will be satisfied.