Running

[Tom Yum]

I mean, even our relatively well-adjusted semi-hippie tree is moderate on one of those...

No way....

[treelizard]

My chiropractor said I'm doing way better! He's like, "Remember last week when I used way less pressure than I am now and you almost killed me? Remember when you couldn't move your hand this way at all?" I guess the homeopathic and chiro combo is working! He recommended another week off and then a half-intensity week...and more stretching. And ice, which I won't use, but whatever. Anyway, he's good, I'm happy, and I have an excuse to take another week off.

[treelizard]

Ice is not used in Chinese medicine--they say it pushes the injury deeper and creates problems in the area later in life.

Homeopathy sometimes uses ice but only to treat frostbite--they often use the law of similars. Mild heat is used to treat burns, inflammation, etc. Like cures like.

The question is, what is the real nature of the injury, and how do you treat that, instead of just icing something to palliate the pain... or treating swelling by constricting the tissue, even though the swelling is there for a reason.

In any case, I had no luck with icing when I was icing, and chiropracty with homeopathic rhus, ruta and arnica are definitely doing the trick, so I'm happy.

[treelizard]

They use potentized poison to treat poison, yeah. I'm taking arnica and rhus, for example, in potentized forms, but if I ate arnica and poison ivy, I would die.

They don't use the same amount of poison to treat poison, because that's like hitting yourself in the head twice, but they use a more moderate amount to simulate the response needed from the body.

I used some arnica (200c) last time I literally dropped a weight on my finger--was expecting a huge bruise and just got a teeny tiny one.

Believe in it or don't, I really don't care, all I know is that my chiropractor was extremely impressed by how quickly my injury is healing, and I didn't ice for twenty minutes three times a day like he told me, and one of the stretches I was supposed to do, I was doing wrong, and ice, acupuncture, and everything else I'd tried before didn't have this kind of effect.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Hard practice everyday(except for saturdays) these past weeks. I scored a quick 50 second pin on wendsday and a third period tech fault last night. My opponent had 6 points, all from escapes(me letting him up), i had over 20 points but the ref let us continue until the end up the third period even after i got the tech. My record is 4-0 so far. 3 pins, 1 tech.

Besides team practice in the mat room, Ive been doing alot of situps, pushups, stretches and squats(with no weights) on my own time, plus working out in the weight room.

[treelizard]

Actually, this thread is NOT about running, and you were making fun of homeopathy.

[treelizard]

Laugh all you want, you're the one with all the chronic, nagging injuries. I don't know any Chinese docs or homeopathic docs with chronic nagging injuries. Hmmmmmmmm......

It's amazing how many people with injury issues will give advice on injuries. Kind of like all of the folks who are bankrupt who like to give out advice about money....

[Tom Yum]

BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

LOL...I'm pos-reping for the tyranical laughter alone !

Chinese-meds ain't bad, Mike - well atleast accupuncture/accupressure. I've known a few athletes who swear by it.

Some of those concoctions though, make you wonder.....
why the heck am I eating dried scorpion soup again???

BACK ON TOPIC:

AM - Banged out 86 pushups in 2:00, went to the latrine.
Banged out 50+ per 2:00, shaved
Banged out 40 some per 2:00, hit the shower

Early PM - Finished a 9-mile cadence jog this afternoon.

Study, Study, Study

Later this evening - 5 sets of pullups, 5 sets of chins.

HELL YEAH!!!

[Tom Yum]

You probably don't know any traditional chinese doctors who made a career out of throwing themselves out of helicopters, running across battlefields, firing huge automatic weapons, or trading fire with enemy soldiers either. I bet if they had done such things, they'd have an occasional "twinge" here and there also.

How about Boar?

Besides, aren't you keeping up? My "chronic nagging injuries" haven't been getting in the way of anything I'm doing lately! I'm outpacing some of my young, fit boxers, and I'm sparring twice as much!

That's bad ass, Mike!

[treelizard]

Actually, I know two TCM docs who are combat vets and healthy as ever. And I just ran into one who was a kickboxer (not sure how long) and has been in several motorcycle accidents and doesn't have any nagging injuries. In addition, I also know someone who was basically hospitalized for years with a condition that the doctors couldn't exactly diagnosed, and Heilkunst basically cured her.

Do a search on Samuel Hahnemann if you want to learn something about the basis behind homeopathy past your knee-jerk reaction. Or not.

Have fun on the elliptical.

http://altmed.creighton.edu/Homeopathy/history.htm

[treelizard]

I don't remember where you posted it, but I seem to remember something about you saying that you had so many hip, knee, back, etc. injuries that you couldn't even run. That doesn't sound like the model of good health to me, so perhaps you're not in the position to critique methods of medicine that you haven't even looked into, let alone researched or experienced.

The fact that you continue to train with injuries doesn't prove anything.

And as far as people benefitting from modern medicine, what about people dying from modern medicine? A conservative estimate of iatrogenic deaths is 250,000 and the higher estimate is 750,000... (This includes drugs, sometimes the wrong ones and sometimes the "right" ones, surgery and nosocomial infections.)

It's the third leading cause of death in this continent. Paul Bergner posited the question of whether modern medicine actually kills more people than it saves, since whenever there are doctor strikes the mortality rate falls and then rises again when the strike is over... and this has happened in Canada, Holland and Israel as well as North and South America.

http://naimh.com/files/doctor-strikes.pdf (make sure to read the responses as well)

[treelizard]

I've actually used fairly mild heat on a burn. It hurt at first but the healing was very very fast.

My friend who studies Heilkunst has used snow to cure frostbite and heat for serious burns (the burns recovered without scarring.)

Also the flu clinic at the Hahnemann Center for Heilkunst has a 100% success rate, hmmm....

And Hahnemann WAS a doctor--he was using the law of similars when the good scientific docs were using leeches.

[treelizard]

It's not that I think my methods for treating injuries are any better - it's that I don't use any methods for treating my injuries. I don't go to doctors and I don't go to chiropractors.

Well, that would make it hard for you to tell whether they would help or not, wouldn't it? If you were going to say that chiropracty doesn't work, the fact that you've never been to one and keep training despite injuries proves absolutely nothing except that it's possible to keep training despite injuries without chiropractic. It doesn't demonstrate whether chiropractic would help or would not help in your particular case, let alone anybody else's.

And since you've never tried not using ice, that doesn't really prove anything either, except that you decided to use it because the doctors that you don't go to (who kill their clients, btw) would recommend it.

[Tom Yum]

Uh huh. So fevers are the body's way of heating up and killing of infection. So if we have a person who suffers from a 105 degree fever, we ought ot just warm him up more? And using ice to cure frostbite? Frostbite is not the body's response to cold, it's the effect of cold in tissue. How is cooling a frostbitten limb the best answer?

Mike, I agree with you on this one.

The only aspects of Chinese medicine that I'm into are the accupuncture/pressure.

Some herbs are good for health maintenance, but I also don't buy into some of the remedies and concepts that I've heard. Like the example above, if someone is experiencing an extremely high fever they should be cooled, so that the temperature increase doesn't damage the body.

[Tom Yum]

(Somebody tell me you're getting the same visuals I am. This shit's funny!!)

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No pee, but a good chuckle indeed.