Running

[Tom Yum]

I started off this thread to see what other people were doing for road work.

Its transformed into a training log, with some scientific training principles, cross training and challenges.

Hopefully its helped our viewers.

[Tom Yum]

I'm not a huge fan of slow long distance...
See www.powerrunning.com

Good find, Tree.

[gregimotis]

So, How many times is this argument going to go 'round in the same circle before everybody realizes they aren't talking about anything?

[treelizard]

I'm not a huge fan of slow long distance...

See www.powerrunning.com

[Tom Yum]

Why a 15 miler?

No reason.

Just trying to test my endurance/build up to a new distance.

[treelizard]

The soreness doesn't bother me that much for runs under 10 miles. I'll try and pull off a 15 miler one of these days.

Why a 15 miler?

[Tom Yum]

I can't tell you why I'm not getting soreness, because you'll accuse me of being a broken record again. LOL.

The soreness doesn't bother me that much for runs under 10 miles. I'll try and pull off a 15 miler one of these days.

[treelizard]

I can't tell you why I'm not getting soreness, because you'll accuse me of being a broken record again. LOL.

[Tom Yum]

Anyway, workout today was three rounds of 400m runs, dumbbell swings (21 swings) and 12 b-rows.

And my training partner left for Korea, I'm sad. No more working out on base.

I've started running to the track, doing the runs, then running back. Round trip its about 2.5 miles plus whatever I cover on the track.

How are your legs holding up with the runs?

A little soreness now and then, but otherwise ok.

[treelizard]

Anyway, workout today was three rounds of 400m runs, dumbbell swings (21 swings) and 12 b-rows.

And my training partner left for Korea, I'm sad. No more working out on base.

[Tom Yum]

You had your broken wrist healed by a Tai Chi master, and yet you refer to it as "magic and parlour tricks." You would rather use things which are "generally accepted in the medical community" and have "decades if not centuries of research to back up their use" than things which work instantaneously.

You've become a broken record.

I am sad for you.

Sounds like those acting lessons are paying off

[treelizard]

You did speak about using ice because it is "accepted theory." So you go ahead and use what is "widely accepted by the mainstream community", and I'll go ahead and use what "actually works for me in practice." I hope your martial arts philosophy is different than your medical philosophy.

You had your broken wrist healed by a Tai Chi master, and yet you refer to it as "magic and parlour tricks." You would rather use things which are "generally accepted in the medical community" and have "decades if not centuries of research to back up their use" than things which work instantaneously. I am sad for you.

[Maxx]

Next, Maxx said that people should use science even when it doesn't work because people have been doing it for a long time (that logical fallacy is referred to as appeal to tradition). He said that I should use ice even though it doesn't work because it's been proven time and time again, even though his wrist was healed by a Tai Chi master who did not use traditional scientific remedies. He later goes on to say that other herbal and naturopathic remedies he has seen did not work. One would think that Maxx, swayed by his miraculous unscientific healing, would simply tell people to use what works for them, but he doesn't. I wonder if he thinks I should use ice even if it doesn't work. Good thing I don't do a survey of martial artists when trying to figure out how to treat an injury. Then I wouldn't get vaccines because the principles behind it are funny, I would use acupuncture only when other athletes sware by it, I would use ice even when it doesn't work instead of homeopathy when it does work, and if I break my wrist I would go to a Tai Chi master. Science, ey?

Let me clarify a few things because you are obviously jumping to conclusions about what I said.

I never said that people should use science even though it doesn't work because people have been doing it for a long time. That very statement is rediculous. If it is a scientific principle and it is applied correctly and under the right circumstances, it will work unless influenced by human error. It is proven though years of studies and overwhelming amounts of data. Simple as that. Your statement makes no sense.

Secondly, I never said anything about you using ice. I said that I have used ice in the past with great success since it has prevented swelling and helped me to heal in the majority of injuries that I have sustained. I did not choose to go to a Tai Chi master as an alternative, Mike merely suggested it and I thought to myself, "Why not, what could happen.".

What I'm saying is to not rely on unproven remedies until you have seen a specialist and at least tried those things that are suggested by the mainstream medical community. Ice is a proven method of reducing and keeping swelling down in an injured area. I use it because it has worked for me in the past and continues to be a reliable technique for me. If it doesn't work for you, do whatever floats your boat.

And even though I had very good and instantaneous results from my experience with Sifu Ni (The Tai Chi Master you seem so enthralled with) I would not return to a tai chi master, even Sifu Ni to assist in helping me with a problem until I had tried mainstream medical practices as perscribed by a doctor. I don't know what happened, I don't understand it. All I know is that it worked at that time. Unfortunately, one single favorable result is not enough for me to rely on it in the face of hundreds of years of proven medical treatments.

Doctors and scientists are discovering more and more about how the body works every year and certain homeopathic remedies and other alternative methods of healing are showing favorable and documented results. Some of them, however, are not. I'm not going to risk my life or my health on an unproven remedy unless everything else has failed and I have done some research.

[treelizard]

This was all a big experiment to see how worked up I could get you

Had you actually read my responses you'd have noticed that I didn't get worked up at all. I actually enjoyed pointing out all of your logical fallacies. I even sent the link to some friends.

:P

[treelizard]

Ok Tree, which personality of yours are we talking too tonight....

I only found one spelling error and one grammatical error in that eleven-word sentence. You get a B-.