Running

[treelizard]

I think I'll continue to rely on the majority of my information from mainstream sources where the documentation of study covers thousands of individual tests and dates back years if not decades. Proven sources.

Like your tai chi teacher?

[Maxx]

You forgot to mention that water is bad for you... too much of that will kill you as well.

I think I'll continue to rely on the majority of my information from mainstream sources where the documentation of study covers thousands of individual tests and dates back years if not decades. Proven sources.

[Tom Yum]

Keeping with the thread topic:

Supersets: 2:00 for each set followed immediately by a 3:00 round of ropework.

1 set of max-rep pushups/skip rope
1 set of max-rep squats/skip rope
1 set of max-rep crunches/skip rope
1 set of max-rep pullups/skip rope
1 set of max-rep lunges/skip rope
1 set of max-rep dive bombers/skip rope

Rest for 5-7 minutes/hydrate

Repeat, but making each excercise harder.

1 set of one handed pushups, ea. hand/skip rope
1 set of pistols (one legged squats)/ skip rope
1 set of hello dollies/skip rope
1 set of 8-count body builders/skip rope
1 set of something crazy and hard/skip rope
1 set of hand stand pushups/skip rope


No running today.

[treelizard]

"Through the like, disease is produced, and through the application of the like it is cured." -Hippocrates

[treelizard]

And while I'm at it, let me just add that people should stop eating grains, get nine and a half hours of sleep every night in a completely darkened room in the fall and winter, the saturated fat/cholesterol myth is just that, high fructose corn syrup is evil, oh and did I mention grain is bad and saturated fat is okay? Also everyone should be getting cod liver oil, and most athletes need magnesium zinc and vitamin C. If you have digestion problems, you should take digestive enzymes and probiotics. Cultured food is really important. Also, grassfed beef is way healthier than grainfed beef, and I even drink raw milk (see realmilk.org) and eat raw grassfed beef and raw eggs, and I'm still kickin'. Also, vitamin D is the cure for bird flu (read: cod liver oil) because it is an immunomodulator and specifically prevents the overexpression of inflammatory cytokines--this is significant because the theory behind severe epidemic flu (like in the 1918 Spanish flu and possibly H5N1) is the "cytokine storm" which you can read all about online. It's a bit less scary when you know the remedy.

There. All my drunken health secrets in a nutshell. And yes, I can back ALL of those up scientifically. :P

If everyone quit eating grains, ate good foods (see above) got 9.5 hours of sleep, took cod liver oil and exercised smartly maybe they wouldn't need to get organ transplants in the frickin first place.

[treelizard]

Wow, you all are mixing your modalities something crazy. Using moderate heat to treat burns has nothing to do with medicinal herbs. Homeopathy does not advocate the drinking of tea to treat diseases. Classical homeopathy uses little sugar pellets with potentized doses of plants (like the arnica, rhus and ruta I'm taking). Heilkunst uses sugar pellets along with dietary changes, metabolic typing and some other tests (at times.) And the article published in the British Medical Journal about iatrogenic death had nothing to do with homeopathy. (Reading comprehension, anyone?) The mortality rate is not taken by doctors. If you read the comments in the article you'll see this was not a one-time phenomenon. A conservative estimate of those killed both by error and "non error" drugs, surgery and nosocomial infections is ~ 250 K, and the higher estimate is 750K. Feel free to do your own research on the numbers of iatrogenic deaths. I'd rather spend my time doing research for people who are trying to actively improve their own health rather than trying to stroke their own egos.

Homeopathy isn't about tea...and like I said I've seen many people who had gone to doctors for years and gotten traditional medical care, and yet they were cured by Heilkunst (or by tai chi instructors, as Maxx mentioned--I'm sure some people would half as many laughs over that as y'all are having over homeopathy)--if soemthing WORKS I could care less what people think. It's amazing to me how many people think modern medicine works, and yet they have a million and one health issues they think they cant' do anything about. I guess some people would prefer to be right than to be truly healthy. That's fine, we all make our choices.

As far as homeopathy worsening people's injuries--well, chemistry and modern medicine says that it's all placebo anyway, so how could it make things worse?

Tom Bisio, who has been practicing taiji for what--25 years? and runs a clinic dealing with sports injuries and rehab for injured athletes--says that ice causes stagnation. I could care less what people use, but I find it interesting people think they know "the truth" about what is "proven" and "called for" and then when they get arthritis and chronic pain in the areas they iced, they think it's because of the original injury.

Using ice, or heat and ice, or whatever, is a mechanical approach, and then people get temporary relief and don't realize they are just suppressing a problem that will crop up later in a different form. Then they to go another specialist who treats it as something new, when really it is just a different effect of mismanaging the first issue. Treating something properly, though it may involve discomfort, has better results than suppressing the pain by the "end justifies the means" approach.

Saying "I would never use heat ona burn" or "if I had cancer I would go to a doctor" is not a solid argument. It would be easily refuted by me saying "I would use heat on a burn" or "If I had cancer, I would go to the Center for Heilkunst." I wouldn't even have to say, "I have successfully used heat to treat a burn" or "I know people who had cancer and were cured with homeopathy when allopathic medicine did nothing." even though those things are true.

I've had bad experiences with homeopathy (also "placebo" supposedly, since I must have imagined those weird rashes and magically appearing bruises, it was too small a dose to be effective--even though I didn't know what the remedies did back then) and didn't "believe" in it for a while, and when I did some work with a Heilkunst practitioner to source out the root cause of some problems I was having, what she said really flew in the face of a lot of what I thought I know about herbalism. I had to ask myself, would I rather "be right" or would I rather get better. The shit works. In fact, I was just hanging out with a massage therapist who works on rehabilitation (with a chiropractor) and told me he uses homeopathy in his practice--because it works. I could care less about why people think it might not work if I see results. There's a term in CF (not that anybody in CF except for maybe me and a naturopath use homeopathy) called the "black box." Basically you do something and see what the results are and let science figure out what happens in the "black box." I could care less what happens in the black box as long as I see results. I see results. Amazing results in my case, actually. (My chiropractor: "Wow, that's a HUGE improvement in just a week-you've been really consistent with icing, huh?" This for an injury that--as documented here--I've had with little improvement for over a month until I got the right homeopathic remedies. )

[Maxx]

Being the person that Mike mentioned above, I feel obligated to make a statement regarding the current topic. There are certain things which are generally accepted in the medical community because they have been proven. There are years, decades if not centuries of research to back up their use, not to mention and understanding of the chemistry involved to substantiate its continued practice.

You put ice on a wound to prevent swelling when it is called for. This will keep the blood from collecting in that area and allow fresh, oxygenated blood with fresh nutrients to get to the area in question to speed the healing process. That is accepted theory. It has been proven time and time again to work.

Now, applying heat to a burn or cold to a frost bitten area....? doesn't compute. I think that whoever came up with that theory may have been hitting the medicinal herbs just a little bit too hard.

I'll be the first to admit that there are certain things that exist in the medicinal world that cannot be explained. Mike took me to see a tai chi master once who cured a wrist fracture I had... instantly. Tai Chi has had a long rough road but it is becoming more and more widely accepted as a method of treatment and a tool for the promotion of health and well being. But I'll be the first one to say that if I get diagnosed with cancer, well... screw the tai chi school... I'm gonna go see a recognized specialist in the medical field.

I'll save the magic and parlor tricks for when everything else as gone to hell.

[Tom Yum]

I hope his chemistry is better than his reading comprehension skills.

My reading comprehension skills are just fine, Tree - thanks.

You came from a classics school, so your reading comprehension is likely better than mine, I would hope.

If you're going to believe in homeopathic medicine, you should cross reference it to proven modern medicine before you dole advice, just to make sure that you won't worsten someones injuries.

I still can't imagine someone pouring hot water on a burn....

or using ice to cool frost-bite....

[treelizard]

I hope his chemistry is better than his reading comprehension skills.

I've had such a positive experience with homeopathy that I'm beyond convinced of its effectiveness. I don't really care if other people use Heilkunst or not--they have free will, after all. It is interesting to me that you prefer "valid science" that kills patients (with iatrogenic deaths having about the same mortality as heart disease and cancer combined) to "hack science" (that fixed my arm, by the way) that does not kill clients. I'm sure you would have supported blood letting and mercury pushing and called Samuel Thomson's work "hack science" if you lived in that time period. It seems that modern medicine actually kills more people than it saves, since mortality rates FALL during doctor strikes and then rise again when the strike is over. Doctors do actually save some lives, making the numbers particularly concerning.

[treelizard]

Actually, if you were following, I said that chemistry teaches that a substance that is very diluted has virtually no effect. I suspect that's why you can have toxins in your municipal water under a certain percentage--the debate is over what percent is acceptable. I don't know where I read about it but it was related to Avogadro's number (6.023 X 1023) and after that it's debatable whether even a single molecule of the original substance exists. This is basic chemistry, agreed upon by chemists, I don't really know which journal it was originally published in and I don't really care.

But if you want to read scientific studies of homeopathy, you can start here:

http://www.psicounsel.com/marius/tests.html

[Tom Yum]

I'm not doing your homework for you.

Its your claim to back up.

You wouldn't want to do my homework, trust me...

[treelizard]

If you can find a working paper on the single-molecule dilution theory in any scientific journal, I will read it.

I'm not doing your homework for you.

[Tom Yum]

Oh, and it's called the single molecule dilution theory, or something like that. Look it up.

If you can find a working paper on the single-molecule dilution theory in any scientific journal, I will read it.

[Tom Yum]

"Dilution is never perfect, particularly at low concentrations where surface absorption may well be a major factor, so that dilution beyond the levels that can be analytically determined remains unproven. Remaining material may be responsible for perceived differences between preparations and activity. Of course the water used for dilution is not pure relative to the putative concentration of the 'active' ingredient; even the purest water should be considered grossly contaminated compared with the theoretical homeopathic dilution levels.

This contamination may well have a major influence, and itself be influenced by the structuring in the water it encounters. Although it does, at first sight, seem unlikely that solutes in diluted 'homeopathic' water should be significantly different from a proper aqueous control, it has recently been cogently argued that the concentrations of impurities can change during the dilution process by reactions initiated by the original 'active' material"


Some of this sounds like Dillman's justification of "tongue position" and "time of day", as to why his one-touch KO's didn't work...

[treelizard]

Oh, and it's called the single molecule dilution theory, or something like that. Look it up.