How many of you guys take creatine?

[hashpuppet]

If I did that it was probably a while ago because i did not know the possibilities of sideeffects until recently when i got more info.

[m7777c]

Dude, there's nothing wrong with creatine, its some of the best stuff you can take!! You will not slow down at all, creatine makes you more explosive and it gives you a rapid weight gain for the time you are taking it..thats if you are taking it in the right way.The only thing with creatine is you lose some of the weight gain you experienced during the time you were taking it..Go out to any GNC and get the brand called Muscle tech there creatine is called cell tech and it is by far the best stuff out, but expensive too!!

[decypheredbeats]

Originally posted by m7777c
Dude, there's nothing wrong with creatine, its some of the best stuff you can take!! You will not slow down at all, creatine makes you more explosive and it gives you a rapid weight gain for the time you are taking it..thats if you are taking it in the right way.The only thing with creatine is you lose some of the weight gain you experienced during the time you were taking it..Go out to any GNC and get the brand called Muscle tech there creatine is called cell tech and it is by far the best stuff out, but expensive too!!

whoa whoa whoa slow down bro.

do NOT ever buy muscle crap products or shop at GNC unless it is absolutely neccesary. for example I take optimum 100% whey and it is $40 dollars at GNC for a 5lb tub. on the internet or my local health food store it is $25. GNc is a rip off for newbies that just dont know yet.

As for Celltech.....Muscle crap is basement made shit. They spend all their money on marketing and those 10 page ads in bodybuilding magazines instead of product research. All cell tech is is creatine monohydrate and suagar, wich is used as transport. You get the exact same effect from a $ 30 dollar tub of regualr creatine monohydrate with 100 servings, as opposed to the large cell tech wich is what 30 servings for $50 dollars??? horse shit I say.

Just get the powdered creatine monohydrate and mix it with a non acidic sugary juice like grape or apple juice. You will get the same if not better results then cell tech.

first load for 4 days at 20 g a day, then after that for maintance take 5 g a day for a couple months. Cycle of for 2 weeks then repeat.

Dont believe me go to any bodybuilding meesage board and you will find many more knowledgable people then me that will tell you the same thing....

[m7777c]

decypheredbeats--- you are right when saying that gnc can rip you off , I'll give you that...But you are totally wrong about creatine. First off I've tried all kinds of creatine and none of it compared to anything close to cell tech, and you are ignorant if you think that muscle tech is crappy, it is by far the best brand out there. Also rule #1 when it comes to creatine, you NEVER take it with juice , especially grape juice..I dont know what kind of body building you do, but From what I'm getting from you- is- you should probably stick to beatmaking...And dont voice your opinion if you dont know. Especially about individual brands!!Just cause you dont know how to do things right does not mean you can down talk muscle tech.Try their products again but this time try, I dont know ... Maybe reading the instructions so that you can get the results that you are looking for...

[decypheredbeats]

Originally posted by m7777c
decypheredbeats--- you are right when saying that gnc can rip you off , I'll give you that...But you are totally wrong about creatine. First off I've tried all kinds of creatine and none of it compared to anything close to cell tech, and you are ignorant if you think that muscle tech is crappy, it is by far the best brand out there. Also rule #1 when it comes to creatine, you NEVER take it with juice , especially grape juice..I dont know what kind of body building you do, but From what I'm getting from you- is- you should probably stick to beatmaking...And dont voice your opinion if you dont know. Especially about individual brands!!Just cause you dont know how to do things right does not mean you can down talk muscle tech.Try their products again but this time try, I dont know ... Maybe reading the instructions so that you can get the results that you are looking for...

aright, I dont like to flame but you are making it very hard for me not to. First off I have been bodybuilding way before I got into MA, it is my bread and butter. And your love of muscle tech tells me you obviously dont know shit and you are a newbie, if not. SHAME ON YOU!

first off if you saw the ingredients in celltech you would see it has probaly 30grams of carbs per servings, this is from sugar, hence why you just by regular creatine monohydrate and mix it wiht a non acid juice. THe sugar cause an insulin spike wich in return lets more creatine enter your muscles. But then again you probaly know this huh?

next, you dont belive muscle tech is shit?
here take it from dome other bodybuilders.

this thread talks about why muscletech is horse shit

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20754

this thread talks about best creatine product, notice cell tech does not come up

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44607&perpage=30&highlight=cell%20tech&pagenumber=2

1. 100 percent pure creatine monohydrate - It's a white powder(not unlike baking soda) that is basically tasteless and odorless.You can mix it in water, juice,protein shake, etc. Do not,however, mix creatine with a citrus drink. The combination of creatine and a citrus drink may result in some
breakdown of the product, converting creatine into creatinine,hich is useless to your body.
(fizzlers FAQ)


dude even people in GNC know you take plain creatine with juice if you want more to ba able to enter your muscles.
so knwo genious prove me wrong. And I want some solid evidence since you have already proved your personal opinion is irrelevent.

[IPON]

Cyph - I don't know that much pro/con about cell tech but you are 100% correct about the creatine info and it is basic info for any gym rat.

However, It is recommended to stay away from mixing juice and Cr. powder, but I would be more concerned about any juice with acid content like you said. I would dilute the non acidic juice 50/50 with water just to b sure. Also, read some article about not using caffine (in any form) while taking Cr. as this can have a diuretic effect.

And if you are going to buy creatine there are so many online discount stores that I agree GNC is for the high school freshman or the weekend warrior.

Back to the original post....I say take in all the info and try it with the knowlege of potential reactions... if any it happens stop.

Let's assume you decide to start, my recommendation is that you have already started a serious program. If you have not, I would wait 4-6 weeks while you are geting in shape to max. the results...... (anyon else's thought cyph or sean). Again, at its best it is only a suppliment you have to do the work (I am not implying you do workout hard I don't know)

I guess the next question would be what are some of the best brands of creatine and why, we know about cell tech. What about others like EAS, ATS, IDS etc or types of Cr like powder vs. serum (under tongue). I don't take so I really can't say pro or con about the brands.

Just throwing it out for discussion what does everyone think.

[Gom]

Be careful of buying cheaper Creatine Products and mixing them with sugar in order to shuttle creatine to muscles. Some brands of creatine will break down into creatinin in plain water. Creatinine is a toxin and isn't good for you. It's what gives the side effects. Sugar can act as a catalyst in respect to breakdown. Just my two cents worth.

Like everyone else says. It comes down to individual choice about what you are and are not willing to do in order to achieve results. Some might say I want to be the best I can be while I'm young because when im older it won't matter. I'd personally rather not achieve incredble results while Im younger but not have side effects further down the track.

check out this site.

http://www.musclemass.com/kre-alkalyn-creatine-facts.html

I'm fairly certain this site is mostly marketting but it does raise a few points and I'm not about to go and research anything in detail because I'm a lazy sod. I've used it but never really benchmarked it at all (didn't compare to other products, didnt note performance before nad after use etc).
It's also taken differently to normal creatine with no loading phases or cycling.
Has anyone used this product? And if so have you had success?

[decypheredbeats]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by IPON
Cyph - I don't know that much pro/con about cell tech but you are 100% correct about the creatine info and it is basic info for any gym rat.

However, It is recommended to stay away from mixing juice and Cr. powder, but I would be more concerned about any juice with acid content like you said. I would dilute the non acidic juice 50/50 with water just to b sure. Also, read some article about not using caffine (in any form) while taking Cr. as this can have a diuretic effect.


Personally Id take it in my PWO shake, this consist of
40 gr protien
40 gram dextrose
strawberries
banana
2 cups milk
2 tablespoon olive oil
5 g creatine

since this here is giving you a considerable insulin spike I think this is the best time to throw in the creatine

also Yeah I hear alot of controversy regarding juice, I dont know where this came from, but as of know it is just recomended to stay away from acid juices. IMO Dextrose is best to mix with creatine as it is such a high glycemic carb.

Yeah if you take creatine Drink alot of water, I personally take EC stacks every morning before my morning workout to help me wake up, this is 25 mg ephedra and 200 mg caffiene...But you should already be drinking over a gallon of water a day so this shoudlnt be a problem, just be prepared to piss alot...




Let's assume you decide to start, my recommendation is that you have already started a serious program. If you have not, I would wait 4-6 weeks while you are geting in shape to max. the results...... (anyon else's thought cyph or sean). Again, at its best it is only a suppliment you have to do the work (I am not implying you do workout hard I don't know)

yeah I wouldnt start taking creatine untill your already in decent shape for a multitude of reasons.
first- Within the first couple months of lifting wieghts you should be able to pack on 10-20 lbs of LBM just because of your basic newbie gains, Your providing a stimulus wich your body is not used to and it will supercompensate quickly.
2nd- Its good to be able to progress if creatine is working for you, some people are non responders and why waste money on somthing that wont work, int his case take tricreatine products (v12, v2 , phoshagen xt)



I guess the next question would be what are some of the best brands of creatine and why, we know about cell tech. What about others like EAS, ATS, IDS etc or types of Cr like powder vs. serum (under tongue). I don't take so I really can't say pro or con about the brands.

Just throwing it out for discussion what does everyone think.

best creatine monohydrate IMO
Optimum- very reputable company and products are of top qaulity
2000 servings- 40 bucks cant beat that

Best Creatine Product
san v12

tricreatine
beatine
argine ketoglutarate (active ingredient in NOS, Hemodilitofier, This helps your body retain Nitrogen wich gives bigger pumps and increases vascularity)
taurine (Amino acid)

this is a bad ass product and cost about 30 bucks for 30 servings, but well worth it IMO

[Szczepankiewicz]

Creatine is gay.

[decypheredbeats]

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz
Creatine is gay.

wow
you are a scientific genious

care to back it up?

[Szczepankiewicz]

Certainly.

The name 'creatine' is short for Create Tina. However, since all those gay body builders aren't ready to come out of the locker room with their hairless (read: shaven) chests and light blue spandex they shortened the name into what sounded like a more 'scientific' sounding phrase.

Some reports suggest that 'creatine' is allegedly naturally occurring in the body. Yeah, in the body of folks like Christopher Lowell and Rock Hudson maybe.

But not the rest of us.


nope nope

See, proven once and for all. Creatine and English Police are gay.

[IPON]

drop the science lol

[IPON]

decypheredbeats: since you are stacking and having positive results I guess the thought of no caffine while using Cr. is out the window. maybe another case of over intelectualizing and no real research. good info.

ps .... I think that I am the only person I know that does not use milk with the MR or protein shake, but if I did I would really have the gym to myself.

[decypheredbeats]

Originally posted by IPON
decypheredbeats: since you are stacking and having positive results I guess the thought of no caffine while using Cr. is out the window. maybe another case of over intelectualizing and no real research. good info.

ps .... I think that I am the only person I know that does not use milk with the MR or protein shake, but if I did I would really have the gym to myself.

milk giving you gas?

it gives me some nasty farts and I love terrorizing my roomates with them

If you dont use milk in PWO or MRs at least do it before bed.
Reason being you are about to fast for 8 hours, whey protien digests very quick, cassien protien on the other hand, wich is in milk, is slow digesting and should give you more time while sleeping foryour body to slowly digest the protien.

[adacas]

im not too keen on using a product that hasn't really been tested. When people go around saying "don't worry there is no tests showing any side effects" i just tell them thats because no one has done any lond term tests. Many of my friends have used creatine and have only good things to say about it. I'm still not sure and am not in a hurry to hop on the band wagon. I just stick to my protein shakes for now.

Good ol' protein shakes