Wing Chun or Muay Thai

[sherwinc]

correction..... for your pleasure....

No sense in beating a dead horse with sherwin; he sees a picture of muay thai and then knows everything about it.

Since Muay Thai School here in our place is all fake.....
Even thou i dont met a Muay Thai Boxing School and students, but i have here my black belt opponents in Okinawan Shorin-Ryu Karate. Their roundhouse kick shinbones is much like harder than those of Muay Thai's roundhouse kick.

Yet, in YMCA here they teach Muay Thai but, it seems fake to me. The Muay Thai ring tournament that i watch in cable television is not the same as those Muay Thai in YMCA.

I also have a vcd of Mei Mai Muay Thai Multimedia but....

but all Muay Thai that i watched is all have a limited techniques. Muay Thai have only 6 hand attacks and only 2 kicks, that's all?????

are there any unfamiliar/surprise attack/s?

and....

even weaponry they have none....

yet, I know how to use Single Saber/Broadsword, TaiChiKiam( Hik Family Sword/Jian ). I know a little about staff/pole.

and you Muay thai have no weapons serves as an extension of hand attacks.

Question:
You Muay Thai if you encounter a WingChun with a butterfly swords on his hand, how can you defend it? you may use your roundhouse hard shinbone kick to the 8 slashes of the wingchun butterfly swords?

[Tom Yum]

wing chun vs muay thai debate is getting old sherwin. Yes wingchun butterfly swords have great sets. So does krabi krabong. See for yourself.

[sherwinc]

here's the answer....

wing chun vs muay thai debate is getting old sherwin. Yes wingchun butterfly swords have great sets. So does krabi krabong. See for yourself.

You Muay Thai only used your Roundhouse Hard Shinbones against the 8slashes of WingChun's ButterflySwords

[Tom Yum]

Yes Sherwin you're right, krabi krabong "only use hard shins"

Wingchun is a good system Sherwin, I never said that it wasn't. stop this muay thai vs wingchun bullshite, or sign up for K-1 to prove your point.

[Jazzshredder86]

Since Muay Thai School here in our place is all fake.....
Even thou i dont met a Muay Thai Boxing School and students, but i have here my black belt opponents in Okinawan Shorin-Ryu Karate. Their roundhouse kick shinbones is much like harder than those of Muay Thai's roundhouse kick.

Yet, in YMCA here they teach Muay Thai but, it seems fake to me. The Muay Thai ring tournament that i watch in cable television is not the same as those Muay Thai in YMCA.

I also have a vcd of Mei Mai Muay Thai Multimedia but....

but all Muay Thai that i watched is all have a limited techniques. Muay Thai have only 6 hand attacks and only 2 kicks, that's all?????

are there any unfamiliar/surprise attack/s?

and....

even weaponry they have none....

yet, I know how to use Single Saber/Broadsword, TaiChiKiam( Hik Family Sword/Jian ). I know a little about staff/pole.

and you Muay thai have no weapons serves as an extension of hand attacks.

Question:
You Muay Thai if you encounter a WingChun with a butterfly swords on his hand, how can you defend it? you may use your roundhouse hard shinbone kick to the 8 slashes of the wingchun butterfly swords?

have to chime in here...

1. You're neglecting to realize that Muay Thai is a sport. If you want something fancier, look at Muay Boran or Krabi Krabi krabrong (spelling?). Muay Thai is the sport variant and descendant of those arts.

2.Muay Thai's attacks are very basic. Yet the application is complex. While it could be said there are only two kicks, those two kicks are deployed in a numerous amount of ways, especially elbows and the roundhouse. Which, furthermore, is as hard as it needs to be. Even if Wing Chung had a more powerful kick, which i doubt, a good thai kick can be a fight ending move, short of having kicks that can cut someone in half, theres not really a point.

3.Low kicks in muay thai are damn powerful. A kick that can blow out a knee seems pretty strong and usefull to me. The only benefit something else may have would be speed (which, contrary to many opinions, good experienced thai boxers have in spades) and being a bit more non-telegraphic.

4. Dont say "what would happen if I drew my (insert random magical name) sword on a thai boxer?" I'm a Thai boxer, and id shoot you with my (random magical name) gun. No offense to swordsmen, ive been a swordsmen for much longer than ive been a muay thai practitioner, but that's just a plain dumb argument.

PS - Style vs. Style arguments are about as interesting as a nun's underwear drawer.

[CKD]

I think muay thai has more than two kicks. Front kick, round kick, side kick, and maybe more. Let me tell you a story from kung fu sherwinc. A man was seeking apprentinceship from a master instructor. To become his student he had to practice one punch and one kick without doing other techniques for 5 years. When that five years was over he was travelling to a instructors when seeing a tournament of the best masters and grandmasters of china. He entered and beat everyone and won.

[yentao]

My opinion, Are that muay thai practitioners in thailand are great because they train to earn. It is different when you train only to defend yourself and to train to fight for a living. Wing Chun was not like muay thai where in it is use as an entertainment and as a source of hope to live with a lot of bucks if there is a competition on it and you'll get bucks to use it to earn a living then many will learn WC. I think Muay Thai got a good reputation among its practitioners who trains hard to earn a living and this practitioners give muay thai a good reputation in the MA world. Since there are more practitioners and it was recognized in the whole world for its tough fighters. If for example you are a fighter and you earn a living in it then of course you train hard to achieve better results and good money right?

Yentao

[CKD]

I have seen muay thai fighters that train all there lives get beaten by a mma dude that has not been training as long in Thailand.

[William Eriepa]

You study kungfu yet you wont believe that Low Kicks is more powerful than high kicks.

Haha! When did I say this? You'd have to be a potato to not realise that more power can be exerted from a low kick than a high one.
The point is the low kick is one of Muay Thai's main weapons, and it's practice is much more powerful than a Wing Chun low kick.

Kickboxing cannot defeat ThaiBoxing

Haha! Get out of your bubble and see the world. There has been only one pure Muay Thai fighter to ever win K-1. It's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. Kickboxing has the hands of a boxer unlike the weak hands Muay Thai has.

you dont know any Filipino Dialect

Well thats a relief!

Their roundhouse kick shinbones is much like harder than those of Muay Thai's roundhouse kick

I'd hate to burst that bubble of yours but this isn't the first time. However the average Muay Thai fighter is well more conditioned than a Karateka.

[William Eriepa]

Yes Sherwin you're right, krabi krabong "only use hard shins"

Haha, Does he even read what people say?

[CKD]

I don't think so. I posted a website about matches between various kung fu styles and muay thai and he just said iron plam and Shaolin Kung fu was never defeated and I told him to check the site since it showed many Iron Palm and Shaolin masters getting defeated but he kept on rambling on the said that Tai chi masters would take advantage of a muay thai stance and told him to check the site again since it showed two tai chi masters getting defeated but he kept on talking how tai chi would take advantage of a muay thai stance and shaolin and Iron palmwas never defeated as if I never posted.

[William Eriepa]

Crazy (your message must be at least 10 characters long).

[sherwinc]

I don't think so. I posted a website about matches between various kung fu styles and muay thai and he just said iron plam and Shaolin Kung fu was never defeated and I told him to check the site since it showed many Iron Palm and Shaolin masters getting defeated but he kept on rambling on the said that Tai chi masters would take advantage of a muay thai stance and told him to check the site again since it showed two tai chi masters getting defeated but he kept on talking how tai chi would take advantage of a muay thai stance and shaolin and Iron palmwas never defeated as if I never posted.

I read that webpage and i dont expect that even all versions of shaolin kungfu is no match.

How about Wong Fei Hung?
or their Fighting Monk Shi Yan Ming?

How about the founder of the Jing Wu Gymnastic Association? will he beat easily by a Thai Boxer?

Then, how about Chua Giok Beng, the founder of NgoChoKun KungFu?

[Tom Yum]

?????

Some styles are better for fighting than others, because they focus on full contact competition, fighting well at several ranges and practicing realistic and simple self defense techniques.

wing chun is probably more combat oriented than monkey style gong fu, because wc trains to fight in medium to close range stand up, wheras some of the monkey forms might have little fight application.

Styles have advantages and disadvantages, but what it really boils down to is how thorough, intense and realistic an individual trains.

Tae kwon do is so popular that it attracts people for many reasons (loose weight, build confidence, learn just a little self-defense). Wheras muay thai, kali and jujitsu tend to attract people who want to fight well. This doesn't mean that TKD is crap; it just means that people train hard with their goals in mind.

The tae kwon do soccer mom might loose 20 lbs, get a tighter looking butt, break a board to build self-confidence and learn a few basic counter strikes and kicks, wheras the young guy taking wing chun will learn how to relax so he can throw rapid punches, build his reflexes, trap, finger thrust, elbow and headbut. Big difference in goals and results.

[CKD]

Sherwinc some of those dudes were well known masters.