Wing Chun or Muay Thai

[choylifutrocks]

If little kids kill each other messing around with WWF moves, whatdya think of adults using them.

The cirriculum of many moves in WWF comes from freestyle wrestling, judo and catch wrestling. Imagine pile driving or body slaming someone into the concrete.

LOL. I understand that. I've actually had my bro put me in a "figure 4" and it hurt like hell. I know what would happen to someone who was pile drived into the concrete, and slamming I have always favored because I can...but, don't try to defend their running closelines, and leaping elbows, etc. It is impractical and frankly stupid.

I was simply making the point that if you beat someone bad enough, or set them up "good enough" you could do just about whatever you'd like. (I'm not trying to imply that you have to ruin somebody before you can deliver a spinning kick to the head as a kick/thai boxer. )

[Damian Mavis]

Well. Dazed is always good (that is when most K.O's happen whether by big punch or head level kick) but all you need is to let them get a little tired and their defence suffers. I won a Muay Thai fight with jumping spinning sidekick in the second round after he was a little pooped, he wasn't dazed in the slightest though, he was really tough and acted like most of my hits didn't hurt him at all, until I became a ninja and jumped in the air and kicked him! ha! Stop calling them stupid.... they work, maybe not for you, but for experts like me they certainly work

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[choylifutrocks]

he was really tough and acted like most of my hits didn't hurt him at all, until I became a ninja and jumped in the air and kicked him! ha! Stop calling them stupid.... they work, maybe not for you, but for experts like me they certainly work

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

LOL...If you're acting like a Ninja, maybe none of your hits did hurt him at all Just Kiddin', I know of your fight career. I mean, that's all you ever brag about Just Kiddin' again. Anyway, how did we go from a TKD spinning kick as an opening attack, then go to a WWF double leg jump kick, to your MT match where you did a ninja kick???? Ok, maybe you can land a spinning kick in and OUT of the ring, but you have to admit that for most people it is not a good idea. BTW spinning kicks, IMHO, are more useful in a MT and Kickboxing environment than a street situation, simply because grappling is not a large part of MT and Kickboxing. That's partially why SanDa has been so successful as of late.

One more thing, out of curiosity...I'm not familiar with ALL rules of MT. What would happen if someone did a spinning kick, and the opponent shot in for the single-leg and took him down? Disqualified? Thanx.

CLFR

P.S. How are things going for you and your fight career?

[jules]

most street fights i have seen rarely go to the ground. Since they often happen in small areas such as bars one person is usually pinned to a wall and or the two fighters are clinched. Either way MT is a very good style in a street fight.

[Joshu]

I think that he will have wasted three years.

Learn Thai and combine it with a Grappling style, like Judo or Brazillian Jiu Jitsu. Both are sports, but they have a very real overlap with reality for the streets.

If you want to develop some Wing Chun skills you can always play patta-cake with te kids at the local infants school.

You my friend are a misinformed fool I hope that every fight I have is agianst someone like you.

[Joshu]

As for WC elbows and knees being better than Thai? I really do NOT think so. One of the main reasons that That stands above the rest of the striking arts out there IS their elbow and knee techniques.[/QUOTE]

Listen to his words, in my personal experience Wing Chun elbows and knees are sharper more focused and all around LESS effective than their Muay Thai counterparts, but that just could be my application of the respective arts.

[Joshu]

I think muay thai sucks.
the only thing muay thai fighters have ever proved to me is that they are all mouth. Knee this, elbow that, blah blah blah! In my experience, muay thai is only effective against muay thai and boxing. (no offence). Trust me, Fustrated, Stick with wing chun.
Study muay thai if you want to learn to dance with the Rockets on broadway.

Just email me at GlobalPogram@Hotmail.com to set up the place and time of our meeting. I will show you my mouth, knee, elbow, and blah blah blah. P.S. I am east coast

[Joshu]

You Muay Thai only used your Roundhouse Hard Shinbones against the 8slashes of WingChun's ButterflySwords

As long as we are talking weapons let me say, SPONSER YOU LOCAL ESKRIMA CLUB,



Why would you want to do that? Because wiether or not you know it they are the only ones keeping our martial heritiage alive. Our you ask, Eurupeon I mean, they fought the Spainish and the French: who have with the exception of fencning let their arts die. If there is anything left of the weapons training it is here.

[Joshu]

[QUOTE=William Eriepa]Hah. No, u'd use your magical "chi" power to blast them away !. But seriously, what would you use then?


Most of your posts seem reseasonable, but this time I can not agree. If you don't beleive in chi, well then you by default, hit like a bitch.

Sorry to have to say that but...
Take the time to learn about the workings of your own body
Listen
You will hear it
You will find your center
And how to direct energy(force) from it

Unless you already have and are just too missinformed to recongnize chi for "vital energy"


Without regard


Bill

[choylifutrocks]

most street fights i have seen rarely go to the ground. Since they often happen in small areas such as bars one person is usually pinned to a wall and or the two fighters are clinched. Either way MT is a very good style in a street fight.

Yeah, Muay Thai is pretty much unsurpassed as a striking art. It is great. Most fights that you have seen probably were stand up, same with the ones I've seen. However, most fights I get into, end up on the ground. It's a good place to get an inexperienced person without having to brutalize them first, or you can brutalise them if you want

Speaking of Morons, I've had two idiots try to attack me while in the air. One with a flying elbow (musta watched WWF), and one with a jump kick (musta been a TKD practitioner). Both got slammed. Have any of you ever had such stupid people attack you in such a stupid manner, while you're trying to de-escalate the situation? I saw another two morons on separate occasions try to start fights w/ spinning kicks to the head. Both flopped miserably. Seen anything like that as a bouncer Jules? I'd be curious to hear of some of the "funny" things you've seen.

One last thing, since we're on the subject of stupid fighters, do you guys ever watch baseball fights? LOL. Now I know where kids learn to fight these days, their a bunch of pu$$ies.

[William Eriepa]

And, anyways, in the heat of the moment, most "techniques" fall apart anyways

Not if trained properly.

William! Dude, Muay Thai does NOT only fight in that defensive stance, that stance you described is used to set up front leg front kick as a defensive interception. They have an aggressive stance too (used to throw roundkicks from) where the rear leg is on the ball of the foot and alot of weight is on the lead foot. And like I told you before, more and more Muay Thai camps use western boxing, not the old shoot from the shoulder style. Too many punchers came here and knocked people out, now the Thais are making it their own.

Well you have to agree that it is the stance most used, and of course it's not the only stance:P.
And yes, I do remember you telling me this, but this is not Muay Thai but more of a Mauy Thai - Boxing mix.

Dude, that's exactly the point I was making earlier. I was just saying that if you get into a fight, and someone comes at you with some stupid spinning kick, he is gonna get slammed. I believe I said earlier that if you've dazed the hell outta somebody (or set the up) you can land it, and KO the hell outta someone. My point was that you cannot fight with those huge stupid kicks, and those alone. I'm sure if you set someone up enough, you could do some stupid ass WWF double leg jump kick, but you would start a fight that way, I hope P.S. I really hope noone ever tries that kick in real life

You said that if some TKD guy did a hook kick on you, you'd just tackle him.
Youe opponent doesn't have to be dazed, let alone tired. In fact all the times I have used a spinning hook kick in the ring is when I have made them cover, all you need them to do is hold that cover for a second and you can let loose the hook right to the ribs or kidney. And in that time you can bearly mount a counter offensive let only tackle your opponent.
Like I said, when "properly executed" a spinning hook kick is hard enough to evade of block let alone tackle!

Most of your posts seem reseasonable, but this time I can not agree. If you don't beleive in chi, well then you by default, hit like a bitch.

Sorry to have to say that but...
Take the time to learn about the workings of your own body
Listen
You will hear it
You will find your center
And how to direct energy(force) from it

Unless you already have and are just too missinformed to recongnize chi for "vital energy"

Haha, true? Nah, fighting relies upon only two things physiology and mentality, not some hidden secret chi power that grants you phenomenal powers like hurling energy through the air, or making old men move like lighting.

[Tameo]

Haha, true? Nah, fighting relies upon only two things physiology and mentality, not some hidden secret chi power that grants you phenomenal powers like hurling energy through the air, or making old men move like lighting.

William Cheung moves like lightning even though he is about 63 years old

[choylifutrocks]

Not if trained properly.
You said that if some TKD guy did a hook kick on you, you'd just tackle him.
Youe opponent doesn't have to be dazed, let alone tired. In fact all the times I have used a spinning hook kick in the ring is when I have made them cover, all you need them to do is hold that cover for a second and you can let loose the hook right to the ribs or kidney. And in that time you can bearly mount a counter offensive let only tackle your opponent.

My god, this is getting ridiculous. How many people actually believe that a stupid ass spinning kick is anything other than laughable as a self defense technique?

I have seen what spinning kicks can do in "real-life" situations...nothing but get the kicker in trouble. Ok, for example, if you spin and kick at a concious, undazed, mentally aware person all they have to do is duck to avoid it. If they move in and close the distance of approximately 2.5 ft (less that on meter) they are in striking range. Obviously, they will not be any further that 2.5 ft away, if the person is throwing a kick that he intends to land! The average person can move 2.5 ft very quickly!! Believe it or not. Now, I'll give you high and low scenarios.

High, the defender ducks moves only 2.5 ft for a single leg.
Low, the defender shoots in fast for a takedown at the waist, I would prefer a heel scoop in there to ensure the fall before the kick is complete.

Now, I understnad that there is avery good chance that a person may not be able to make it al the way in before the kick finishes, however the kicker is jammed up severly with the back slightly exposed, a bad defending position, while the attacker is in close and in control of the fight.

It isn't that hard to figure out.

I'm just giong to end it here because there is no way that anyone will ever convince me that is a smart or practicle move.

[Damian Mavis]

"Ok, for example, if you spin and kick at a concious, undazed, mentally aware person all they have to do is duck to avoid it. "

Well shit man! Why didn't I think of that! Duck! Oh my god! Wish someone had told me about ducking before all the times I got knocked out or hit so hard my head felt like it was going to explode......

If it was possible to duck everything then there wouldn't be any knockouts now would there? haha I think you need to stop guessing and spar hard with some high level strikers and I do mean high level, not the weiners that tried to jump in the air as a primary attack.

JOSHU, you better go tell Mike Tyson that since he doesn't beleive in Chi he hits like a bitch. I think it is completely possible to hit hard without tapping into your chi don't you?

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[bartjam]

My tip for you is to go to Hong Kong and find someone to sign a waiver and fight him. [...] Offer without rules. Simple. Now that is a real fight just like what you need....

but why must one go to HongKong to fight a WC guy?
I train WC (WT) but I feel that most of WC guys just rely too heavily on faak-sau/biu jee sau to eyes/throat - which is why they say their art is "too deadly". They forget that MT or BJJ guys also accept not to rely on eyes/throat/groin targets while fighting... but also that these other fighters could use "dirty" fighting in a street confrontation just like WC people!