Wing Chun or Shaolin?

[kiddbjj]

"Or the ones who barely break into a sweat, wiggling their arms about in thin air?"

wiggling... ha ha ha

[kiddbjj]

read the duncan leung article

hey i just read the article and its actually pretty good. he seems to know what hes talking about and seems pretty honest and straight down the line.

the things he says about wc are true, too much solo practice and chi sau, not enough testing it out through sparring.

most wc schools i've seen are full of people not that into sparring anyway so i guess most instructors are just giving their students what they want so they can pay the bills. compare your average wc student to the average muay thai, boxing or bjj person. nerds and jocks, nerds and jocks

[aku aku]

So, which arts do you think are best? The ones who hit bags whilst on the move? Who hit each other whilst wearing protective equipment? Who train their bodies through arduous physical exercises?

Or the ones who barely break into a sweat, wiggling their arms about in thin air?

Would a better question be "which school is best" or "which instructor is best"? The quality of instruction within a given style can vary a lot.

[Thai Bri]

Neither. Which fighter won.

[white devil]

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first the title should be Wing Chun Vs MuayThai/Boxing..not shaolin vs wc

then..when i asked my JKD sifu (who happens to be also a MuayThay instructor )what was better jeet kune do(based on wing chun) or thaiboxing..he told me that muay thai was an arena ''sport'' although happens to be very effective on the street(because of it's damaging blows)..but jeet kune do (based on WC) with the trapping and grappling was also very effective on the street..it just happens not to be an arena ''sport' because it is not very fancy and doesnt last very long..i guess what he was trying to say is that ,when ur life is threatened on the street, a finger jab to the eye and a pak-sao to the throat would be more safe than a muay thai combination..but i have to disagree with him..THE BETTER ART DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ARE CONFORTABLE WITH AND YOUR PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES AND /OR LIMITATIONS.

BUT..depending on the situation one art might be more effective than the other..A bouncer for example might want to learn aikido or wing chun before muay thai or boxing because damaging the enemy isnt the priority here..controling him is..

Please my martial artists friends..whatever your art or your style is..dont judge each other's!! instead try and decide for urself which ur more confortable with and which one suits you best..Why not incorporate a technique from another style to ur own arsenal?That is the beauty of JKD ..it is not a style(which makes it uncritisizable,if thats even a word)..its the personal human expression..And to answer the first first post:why not go try both styles and see for yourself?..Excuse my english by the way..french is my first language

[aku aku]

BUT..depending on the situation one art might be more effective than the other..A bouncer for example might want to learn aikido or wing chun before muay thai or boxing because damaging the enemy isnt the priority here..controling him is..

That's a good point. If someone wants to know the best art the first question is "best for what?" I think that each art is pretty good at what it's designed for. If you take it out of the environment it was intended for it won't perform as expected. That's also assuming other variables, like the quality of instruction and training, are equal.

[Thai Bri]

So, lets get this straight. An instructor from an art that was originated by someone who left most of Wing Chun behind reckons that Wing Chun must be better than Thai Boxing because his JKD is?

Durrrrrrr.

[white devil]

not really

it shows you dont know much about jkd..bruce didnt left wing chun appart..why would jkd use chi sao,wing chun trapping & countering? and the wooden dummy?..the intructor based his jkd on wing chun ..i base mine on alot of different arts including wing chun because i dont beleive in better styles..(so did bruce lee)..what he meant is that ..like i said..different arts depend on different situations...
do u understand thai bri? and please dont reply with ''muay thai is more effective than wingchun..or wing chun is powerless or weak'' or i will be very disapointed of you...although i have tremendous respect for muay thai as well as wing chun..and every arts that exists.actually please,before you critisize..go give wing chun a try and see for yourself...or maybe u should try incorporate your Mthai into JKD

[shen lao]

I Was Aked What I Thought Of This Subject: Muai Thai Vs. Wing Chun Etc. My Answer: You Cannot Segment A Totality. Why Not Have Both At Your Disposal.

[BoarSpear]

I Was Aked What I Thought Of This Subject: Muai Thai Vs. Wing Chun Etc. My Answer: You Cannot Segment A Totality. Why Not Have Both At Your Disposal.

HMMMM i seem to remember someone with this typing style....

[Thai Bri]

Dearest White Devil. I am not a Thai Boxer. But, in my 25 years of study, I have trained in both Muay Thai and Wing Chun. And trained them seriously hard.

As an experiment, why not pop into any Thai Boxing gym and ask one of them to spar. To be fair to the poor soul, don't forget to warn him that you do Wing Chun and will use your superior abilities to defeat him.

But take a friend, preferably one who is a paramedic. You'll certainly need it!

Now that was a joke of course. But, in all seriousness, pop into one of the Thai places and have a little go. Then you'll be able to prove the matter to your satisfaction - one way or the other.

Let us all know how you went on.

[white devil]

Thai bri,
Can't you read properly..I train in boxing and apply the concept of JeetKuneDo(Who is partially based on wing chun)..i never said i was a pure wing chun praticionner..even if i was..ur saying that if i pop into a gym with any thai boxer i will get beat..that is absurde.And let me explain why for you:

1st: Will i get beat to what?A full rules,no grappling no jumping ring fight? or a full contact everything-allowed-street fight?A fighter fights best in his environment and you know that.During a street fight to-the-dead nothing-to lose-fight the wing chun practicioner wont slap the thai boxer's hand to trap him but will try to palm strike him on the throat and the thai boxer will not hesitate to headbutt his oponent and to knee him in the groin.Do you understand my point?You cant anticipate the outcome of a fight only by basing yourself on the art.The training and the art he/she practices counts for alot..but not everything.

2nd: besides the environement,the fight depends mostly on the frame of mind of the fighter the day of the fight.I dont beleive the 2 fighters will be at their top shape and top mental state..BUT..even if they are.Consider my previous and my next argument.

3rd: It is not the art,it is the fighter expressing the art.Saying Martial Art A is more efficient and is better than Martial Art B is absurde.Although if you told me with ur 25 years wing chun/thai boxing experience and serious physical training you would beat my 4years boxing/JKD based ass..in a ring fight or even a street brawl..i would step back and think for a minute(what any intelligent person would do)with his long term experience and training thai bri might have a better chance of winning the fight.Then again i might get lucky that day and be in my top shape as well.But the odds being agaisnt me,since it is the physical condition,experience,mental state,knowledge of the art ur practicing,your size (which counts for less then the previous but still counts)..confidence AND THEM ALL TOGETHER ..then will i be able to evaluate my chances of winning.but you can never..i mean never anticipate at 100% the outcome of a fight.

I hope u read carefuly and will not reply something like muay thai is better anyway! or i will lose my nerve and leave this forum forever.For all thoses non-ignorant cultivated open minded martial artist reading the post i think u agree AT LEAST partially with me.So please thai bri,i know ur devoted to ur art but one day u might open up and find another art that suits u best..maybe not..and maybe wing chun doesnt work for you because you had bad intructors or a bad experience or whatever..but i say this to all martial artists again..It's not the art..arts cant fight since they are not concret..it is the artists expressing the art in his personal human way.

with all my respects..

[aku aku]

There's people from all sorts of different arts that can kick my butt. Does that mean their arts are superior or does it just mean that I suck?

[Thai Bri]

It means you suck -

Hey! I'm not the one claiming Wing Chun is anything worth having. You lot are. All I'm saying is this - go and find out instead of theorising.

Is that fair?

[white devil]

about wing chun

i did find out about wing chun through my JKD sifu.and beleive it or not i decided to ABSORB alot of what i was taught..i didnt beleive much in what chi sao could bring me but it built my awareness and (take it or leave it) my ''flowing energy'' as well.I think wing chun's arsenal of various techniques for the same purpose is very practical (it always keeps ur oponent guessing).By the way..if wing chun was crap ,why would sijo Bruce Lee base his JKD concept on wing chun?not only because it was his first martial art..but because he found alot of the WC techniques worthy to be incorporated into his revolutionary system.Of course he personaly found some movements too exhausting and fancy(not direct)..and he decided to evolve them into a unique system which was later labeled JKD.But you know that already i guess so why are you arguing?

At my gym (which is separated in blocks ; the JKD group,the boxing club,the muay thai club,the mix martial arts group and the kali practionners), with 60$ Can./month u can train with all the groups (you can only do compete with 1 group though) and beleive it or not..i see half of the muay thai folks doing chi sao and practice with the JKD students when muay thai class is off.The rest of them get into the mix martial arts.And theyre not young rookies,most of them are in their middle to late 20s.

and for ur information im not theorizing im just stating facts that u cant stop but wrongly argue about.