Wing Chun - an overview of its training methods and effectiveness.

[Sanitarium]

Comparing WC to Muhammed Ali is a load of bollocks.

Why?

Because Ali/Tyson or whoever other world-class boxer people always use in their examples, have almost inhuman muscular strength. No matter WHAT art they were using, if they punched you in the face, you'd get KO'd within a very short space of time unless you had a boxer's delts/neck/head etc.

In a streetfight boxing will most probably always win, because of the sheer force boxer's punches have. All the trapping, grappling, blah blah, it's useless in the street when you're bursting with adrenaline and anxiety, you just need to hit hard, hit fast, and knock the enemy out as quick as possible. Do you really think you'd have the necessary coordination and concentration to trap a boxer's punch?

There is only so much technique can do, if you're facing someone like Tyson.
Blocks...lol...I think trying to block a tyson punch would break your arm. If WC doesn't train you to develop strong, fast arms, and non-nonsense fighting techniques like JKD, then yes it would 'lose' to boxing.

BUT

in the real world, away from monsters like tyson/ali, your boxing opponent in K1 or whatever isn't going to be anywhere near as strong as them. An evenly weight-matched opponent will probably not be able to punch [/b]that[/b] much harder than you, and using the right kicks, counters, footwork and stuff, you could probably beat a boxer with WC, because of boxing's limitations.

You don't have guns??????????? That is just plain silly. What do you do if the other guy has a gun? Do you use stun guns? Do you know there reasoning in not giving you guys guns?

Because it would just cause more gun deaths, as your country's crimerate shows.

[Troll Virus]

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[jubaji]

From a SD point of view, the Anti Grappling stuffs worth a look. In particular for Anti Rape. Young ladies taking a short course in stripped down Wing Chun supplemented by the Anti grappling stuff are going to be better equipped to handle themselves than if they singularly practiced BJJ, MT ...........you name it.

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[Troll Virus]

Among other things. I don't know how great the "anti-grappling" is. It seems to work very well against non-experienced grappler wannabes and WT students who tries to act like grapplers. However against thoose who train a lot of grappling it will probably have no chance when the grappler has taken you down to the ground.

From a SD point of view, the Anti Grappling stuffs worth a look. In particular for Anti Rape. Young ladies taking a short course in stripped down Wing Chun supplemented by the Anti grappling stuff are going to be better equipped to handle themselves than if they singularly practiced BJJ, MT ...........you name it.

[jubaji]

Among other things. I don't know how great the "anti-grappling" is. It seems to work very well against non-experienced grappler wannabes and WT students who tries to act like grapplers. However against thoose who train a lot of grappling it will probably have no chance when the grappler has taken you down to the ground.

I was hoping for a less reasonable answer!

[Hot Sauce]

Is the difference the great "anti-grappling" skills you are taught?

Among other things. I don't know how great the "anti-grappling" is. It seems to work very well against non-experienced grappler wannabes and WT students who tries to act like grapplers. However against thoose who train a lot of grappling it will probably have no chance when the grappler has taken you down to the ground.

[jubaji]

WT is not the same as the WC he has trained.

Is the difference the great "anti-grappling" skills you are taught?

[Hot Sauce]

You do understand how ridiculus that statement is considering HE has trainined in WC and YOU have not trained in BJJ

It was supposed to be a question. He is the one who claims that WT doesn't work.

WT is not the same as the WC he has trained.

[guy incognito]

guy incognito

What should i look out for in a muay thai school.Im really interested to take a look.

[Tiger Claw]

Muay thai is no way ineffective on the street. Problem is they are just stand up just like tkd and win chun.

[guy incognito]

guy incognito

Thanx guys.Im in no way insulting the art.Cant tell you much of wind chun im affraid.Im not suggesting that mui thai is not valid for self defense also their is wepon work its grabi grabong and its the focus on ring work that is the reason its not taught.

[Thai Bri]

THAI BRI.Thai i have a question for you.Is thai boxing your chosen martial art if so what are your thoughts about the fact that the style has more of an emphasis on ring fighting than other aspects(ie self defence).I think mui thai is an excellent martial art,what do you think of it being turned into a martial sport.I ask these questions because i dont know and would like you input.

It isn't. And does have inherent weaknesses.

But its participants train realistically insofar as they hit full power, have excellent fitness, and don't go down when the going gets tough. It can form a nucleus for great self protection fighting, along with additions from other arts.

I have trained it myself, but only call myself "Thai" because it rhymes with "Bri". As well as "High", "Why", "Fly" and "Die".

[Tom Yum]

IMO muay thai as a sport is still hand over fist better than other martial arts as a form of self-defense. Power development, conditioning and toughness are fundamental self-defense attributes; technique matters but without these attributes backing up your technique, its not fighting and its not real. Muay thai has its weaknesses too - that being an upright stance that is vulnerable to takedowns and no weapons training. The good thing is that muay thai is frequently cross trained with bjj and fillipino weapon styles. With cross training, mt fighters practice sprawl/takedown drills, plumbing for overunder, clinch control and grappling.

Wing chun looks interesting to me, because you aren't wearing gloves and you focus on fighting on the inside, which is not a range most people are comfortable with - especially with the traditional arts (minus judo and jj).

muay thai has alot of great infighting techniques as well - knees thrusting, rising and round, rising elbows, roundhouse elbows, axe elbows and straight elbows....not to mention clinch work to throw your opponent off balance while knocking him silly with one of the above techniques. These techniques are trained against pad holders and are drilled repetitively and practiced frequently in shadow sparring, so you can learn to deliver them with max power and speed while putting them together.

I'd like to know more about WC infighting. I've heard that at higher levels, its more or less about controlling your opponents balance. Any thoughts about this?

[guy incognito]

guy incognito

THAI BRI.Thai i have a question for you.Is thai boxing your chosen martial art if so what are your thoughts about the fact that the style has more of an emphasis on ring fighting than other aspects(ie self defence).I think mui thai is an excellent martial art,what do you think of it being turned into a martial sport.I ask these questions because i dont know and would like you input.

[Tiger Claw]

wing chun would do well with jj or bjj since they both conserve energy with techniques. I think that would make a great blend. Anti-grappling is knowing grappling and getting out of it imo. JJ is better imo since you do not turn your back to your opponent. In wrestling they do this which makes no sense to me. Both are great that is just a preference of mine. Many say this and I agree with them that ground fighting is another world than stand up. Tkd lacks the same prob as wing chun no ground fighting but you add in the ground fighting they become effective.