William Cheung's Traditional Wing Chun

[Tameo]

By the wat Tameo, liftin feet may not sound like a good idea to you..... But try shuffling around on grass, or in mud, or on an uneven surface, or a slippery one. It is far better to lift them in a real fight. That way you have far less chance of tripping over, ya dumb nonce. Youre not using "ring craft" when there is no ring, so why train it?

Looks to me like your rejecting one of the few good things Cheungy the Fraud had to offer.

I never said its bad to lift your feet, its just in some situations you dont have time to alot of footwork with lifting the feet. if a fast combo comes it would be very hard to do lift yor feet to move. In some situtions you cant shift in place so then you would have to lift your feet and step, it all depends on the surface your fighting on, but its better to know both am i correct? Thats why i still keep practicing my footwork from cheung's style because i know that it might work sometimes. However if you are fighting on pavement or street or indoors on a wooden floor, it would be wiser to shift or step as little as posibble. Look at gary lam in the video clip. the demo guy is throwing his punches and gary isnt moving all that much. WHenever id throw punches like that at my previous sifu he would be moving all over the place to try and deflect everything. He would sometimes get hit. William cheungs footwork is very basic and they train not to get hit. I odnt like that kind of training because in a fight you will get hit and you cant reset each time you get hit. Every time you leave the ground with your feet you are compromising your balance, so it is better when possible not to step so much. the closer you are to the ground the more balance you have and the more time you have to put your foot down. I went agaisnt some beginners in Robert chu's school and they kept pushing me offbalance because my feet were always up moving. while they were taking a lot more economical quick steps with their whole body working like a spring.

[Thai Bri]

By the wat Tameo, liftin feet may not sound like a good idea to you..... But try shuffling around on grass, or in mud, or on an uneven surface, or a slippery one. It is far better to lift them in a real fight. That way you have far less chance of tripping over, ya dumb nonce. Youre not using "ring craft" when there is no ring, so why train it?

Looks to me like your rejecting one of the few good things Cheungy the Fraud had to offer.

[Thai Bri]

What my sifu used to always say is " Its not the art that makes it good, but the person that learns the art makes it good. "

Sounds to me like your Sifu was an illiterate oaf.

[Rogue Warrior]

Tameo dont let this other guy ( I fogot his name already) get you pissed off. If you are exploring other arts then thats great!!! When I studied Wing Chun years ago I loved it and belived that it was the one and only martial art of all martial arts. But as the years go by things change and so do needs for supplementing your training. So do what you like and be happy with what you are learning. What my sifu used to always say is " Its not the art that makes it good, but the person that learns the art makes it good. "

[Tameo]

tameo

tell me why you left cheungs wing chun and what/who made you reach that final decision?

A guy who used to go there and would always help me out in training helped me reach my decision, However he did not try to convince me, he just showed me and i made my own conclusions.

[Tameo]

I already explained it earlier but in short, i realised that the principles that were taught there were wrong. I also realised that there are other great arts out there that have lots to offer and that Wing Chun isnt the only useful ma out there. The problem with cheung's lineage is that they focus so much on techniques that they forget to understand the principles behind them and can not explain why things are done the way they are. Sure they explain it but its all very breaf, nothing like the other wing chun sifus i met. My previous sifu Joe Sayah, supposedly cheung's best student even told my friend that he could not fight with gloves on, that with gloves he had no power, but when he took off his gloves he had power. With this kung-fu and other stuff im learning it doesnt matter if oyu have gloves or not because i see how they use the body to generate power, not like in the TWC were they just go super fast with the hands having nothing behind them. The footwork is very noneconomical in TWC because they always try to lift the feet and step around the oponent. This could work against someone who is slow or you might get lucky and pull this kind of stuff off, but sometimes you just dont have time to lift your feet, you have to pivot in place or slide the feet. Whenever you lift your feet you compromise your balance, so an experienced Martial artist can take your balance with ease. These systems im training teach this kind of footwork which i like. I also train in boxing because i need to know their game too. I learned not to underestimate a boxer, because sometimes wing chun doesnt work against boxers if they are throwing fast combos at you and faking all the time. The way we train now is we train to be able to take a hit and keep going. In the twc school htey would always reset after you got hit, which is completely unrealistic. I would still try to go at it in their sparring classes and wouldnt care if i got hit, but the principles already taught there are wrong. There are lots of other reasons i dont go back but that would take forever to talk about

[kiddbjj]

hey tameo

tameo

tell me why you left cheungs wing chun and what/who made you reach that final decision?

[Tameo]

If you call being brainwashed learning better ma's then i guess youve been learning shit your whole life.

[Tameo]

You act like a 10 year old, not like someone who is over quarter century. Youre nothing but talk. And stop saying "convinced" i aint sherwinc you dumb ass.

[Tameo]

And i dont follow anyone. I train with people who are good and there is nothing wrong with it so stop bsing.

[Tameo]

No iv seen everythign for myself and made my own choices i could have went somewhere else. Im not brainwashed at all anymore i see the strengths and weaknesses of what i was doign and i see the strengths and weaknesses of what i do now. Before I thought only wing chun was good now my mined opened to other arts and i see that many ma have alot to offer not just wing chun or even kung-fu.

[Thai Bri]

No, I don't think I will stay quiet. You were heavily brainwashed, and still are. Its just that you are brainwashed by different people.

Now that is not a bad reflection on them. Maybe they are better than the nonsens Cheung espouses. It is a bad reflection on you, because you are still clearly NOT thinking for yourself.

My own view has developed over time (a quarter of a bleedin' century) as well as experience. All you do is find someone to follow.

You sir, are a sheep!

And still as big a WANKER as ever convinced! -

[Tameo]

Haw haw haw!

I haven't looked at this thread in ages! Its fookin HILARIOUS! that Tameo has done an about turn!

Tameo, you are either one of tow things:-

1 - The best troll on here convinced or

2 - The most stupid person I have ever known.

By the way, if it is the latter (I seriously suspect that it is), don't you owe me an apology for not listening to me all that time?

No the problem with you is you say all wing chun is crap, but thats not true.
Yea i thought TWC was the best at the time cause i was heavily brainwashed by my sifu, but now i see the other arts and now i know what is crap and what isnt. And as for trolls.. you are the biggest one on these forums so id stay quiet.

[Thai Bri]

Haw haw haw!

I haven't looked at this thread in ages! Its fookin HILARIOUS! that Tameo has done an about turn!

Tameo, you are either one of tow things:-

1 - The best troll on here convinced or

2 - The most stupid person I have ever known.

By the way, if it is the latter (I seriously suspect that it is), don't you owe me an apology for not listening to me all that time?

[Yu Law]

Sifu Joe Sayah used it in "Once upon a time in china and america"... wasnt really successfull. I dont do MA for how flashy they look but for how effective they are. Btw feet do not stay flat all the time in these lineages. It all depends on the circumstances and surface conditions. Sometimes its better to lift your feet sometimes its more economical to slide them or pivot in place. In TWC class with joe sayah we had chi sao 3 times a week in most other schools including these two lineages they do it every day.

It's true what u say about the feet thing, sometimes it is better to pivot i have found in resrictive areas. Chi Sao is a very good tool to enhance reflexes but some lineages focus on it so much that they try to apply it in combat and they get beaten. I've heard that some of them jump in to a fight withtheir arms in the chi sao position.

As for learnign arts that r effective over flashy, i feel the same way, but don't u think that WC has cool moves also? Of course economical applications r the ones that work in REAL fights, but that is the case for ALL martial arts. Jet Li would never do a flyign spinning back kick in a fight. I really don't understand y WC has never been showcased in a movie as the main fighting form, when Aikido has. IMO aikido is very hard to watch on film, no tin a good way.