William Cheung's Traditional Wing Chun

[Tameo]

Is there any good wing chun? If it's good, isn't it a lot more like boxing then? And the kicks a lot more like muay thai kicks?

good wing chun focuses more on generating power from the body and ground, the front and side kicks are very powerfull and you hit with the heel. The round kick is like a muay thai round kick. They put constant pressure on the opponent and give him no room to perform techniques, includes kicking range, punching range, elbow range and body range

[gabbah]

Is there any good wing chun? If it's good, isn't it a lot more like boxing then? And the kicks a lot more like muay thai kicks?

[Tameo]

so wut r u learning now?

boxing, good wing chun, and other kung-fu systems he knows. also he is a 3rd degree in juijitsu, trained with the gracies so he will be showing that stuff too and adding it to the arsenal

[Rogue Warrior]

Now, now guys not all should knock on Wing Chun because of some asshole made a mockery of the system I studied wing chun from 1993-1998. Now I learned under master Ron heimberger during this time and his linage goes all the way up to yip man just like any other who has learned this art. But thats just it. Everyone says that there linage is right under yip man! My Sifi studied under yip ching who is one of yip man's sons. He Yip ching is now the grand master of wing chun in the states as well as in hong kong. Now learning this style really helped with my hand speed sooooo much. And as many fights as I got into while I served in the U.S. NAVY it saved my but. Now im not going to go on about how kick ass! wing chun is to all other arts. Not at all! after coming back home from serving my the USA then started taking Muay thai. and before I studied wing chun I studied kempo and tae kwon do. Now Im one to say that you should keep on learning and not just keep with one art. These days people are moving to MMA (mixed martial arts) instead of you conventional martial arts schools. Take it this way...If doctors only learned to work on one illness instead of many different types. Then the doctor would be useless. Being verse in several martial arts would make you a well rounded person...and a well rounded fighter.

[Yu Law]

A few weeks ago I got out from class at my TWC school and on my way out I met a guy who was at the academy before but left about a year ago. He was always lots of help and I had heard he had 6 years boxing experience. I was at this time still thinking that TWC is the best system in the world, being brainwashed by my instructor who made fun of all the other systems and even other lineages of Wing Chun. So anyways this guy used to train hardcore every day sometimes more than 6 hours like me, and he tells me; we need to talk man! We go get something to eat and he shows me that most of what I’ve been learning is bs. He asks to see the structures of my blocks and guard and he demonstrates how none of my blocks can sustain any pressure, that I don’t have any root, that the way I do my blocks could cause serious damage to my shoulders (my shoulder joints were already clicking and hurting only after 2 years of training and I’m only 18!).He corrected my punch and showed me why the way I was punching would not hurt that much. He went on and on showing me and giving examples with physics principles why everything I was doing did not make sense. I discovered he is an instructor in 3 different kung-fu systems and he has many amateur boxing fights I believe about 30 fights 19 knockouts and only 1 loss. This was even before he knew all the other systems. So this guy was really well rounded in MA. He trained with Ken Shamrock and some jiu-jitsu people. In 2 days I made a call to my dojo and canceled my payment. I got 2 of my friends from the school to come with me and now we train with this guy almost day and the training is already a whole lot more realistic and effective. He teaches us how to use out whole body and not just the superficial techniques with nothing behind them which we learned at the previous school. He took me to his instructors some of which are Wing Chun Sifus and their skill is incomparable to my previous Sifu. This guy sought out the best possible instructors to make sure what he was learning wasn’t BS. I’m just kind of pissed I wasted 2 years on the BS TWC when I could have been learning something way better.

so wut r u learning now?

[Tameo]

A few weeks ago I got out from class at my TWC school and on my way out I met a guy who was at the academy before but left about a year ago. He was always lots of help and I had heard he had 6 years boxing experience. I was at this time still thinking that TWC is the best system in the world, being brainwashed by my instructor who made fun of all the other systems and even other lineages of Wing Chun. So anyways this guy used to train hardcore every day sometimes more than 6 hours like me, and he tells me; we need to talk man! We go get something to eat and he shows me that most of what I’ve been learning is bs. He asks to see the structures of my blocks and guard and he demonstrates how none of my blocks can sustain any pressure, that I don’t have any root, that the way I do my blocks could cause serious damage to my shoulders (my shoulder joints were already clicking and hurting only after 2 years of training and I’m only 18!).He corrected my punch and showed me why the way I was punching would not hurt that much. He went on and on showing me and giving examples with physics principles why everything I was doing did not make sense. I discovered he is an instructor in 3 different kung-fu systems and he has many amateur boxing fights I believe about 30 fights 19 knockouts and only 1 loss. This was even before he knew all the other systems. So this guy was really well rounded in MA. He trained with Ken Shamrock and some jiu-jitsu people. In 2 days I made a call to my dojo and canceled my payment. I got 2 of my friends from the school to come with me and now we train with this guy almost day and the training is already a whole lot more realistic and effective. He teaches us how to use out whole body and not just the superficial techniques with nothing behind them which we learned at the previous school. He took me to his instructors some of which are Wing Chun Sifus and their skill is incomparable to my previous Sifu. This guy sought out the best possible instructors to make sure what he was learning wasn’t BS. I’m just kind of pissed I wasted 2 years on the BS TWC when I could have been learning something way better.

[jkdave62]

Thai Bri you sound like quite a disrespectful idiot, i am not an advocate of any one style or branch let alone any one fighter but you need to show some respect to the people that came before you.

[LittleDemon]

I dont see how you can say i dont tell my parents where i am going that would be foolish why would i do that to upset them i love my parents and my family i might be a rebel but im not a bitch to my family? im in my 20th yr my parents trust that i am a resposible young adult ive stayed outta trouble - well since ive been training WT i have

I like breaking rules though - depnding on what the rules are *not the law*

i am throughly bruised from martial arts class last night then monday is my last kung fu class before i jet off to spain for two weeks intensive training voer xmas and new yr with some guys my sisters husband has set me up with *hes ex-bosnian military police and knows his shit* so im quite nervous about it but also very excited.

Little Demon

[Thai Bri]

Yes, she's a rebel alright. A wide eyed loner in the face of oblivion. Sometimes she doesn't even tell her parents where she is going...........

47Martialman - sorry mate. I just thought you were being fukkin dense! If you were just taking the piss then I take my "you knob" back, because taking the piss is alright with me.

[LittleDemon]

Hey guys, just a gentle reminder i am away this coming tuesday the 21st december for two weeks and i arrive back the 3rd january

I will be teaching and training WT with a small group of my mates which i would get my backside kicked for if any of the technicians found out or even worse my instructor SHOCK HORROR! but im a rebel and i like living dangerously and if can share my knowledge of martial arts self defence with my friends knowing they have some form of protection then i feel better so i dont care hmph!!!!

so yeah if anyone has any questions they wish to ask me NOW is the time to ask them because i shall not be around for two weeks i will be un-reachable i am going to do some "special" training and already i have said too much.

So please bombared me with your questions now or email me any personal more in depth stuff.

Thanks

Little Demon

p.s dont forget im teaching until i go so i may only just fit in time to answer your questions - you can reach me live on MSN messenger Lasiel3557@msn.com or AIM Dragon3557@aol.com

[Hardball]

Nice Thread!!!

[47MartialMan]

You're pretty think.

Here goes.

1. I know he is on a camera. But Cheung is supposedly demonstrating real multiple armed assailant defence. What member of a team of armed assailants will stand still for all that length of time? It merely shows how unreal the training is. Pathetic.

2. I was laughing ast the grappling because he shows a completely laughable version of grappling. Pathetic.

3. Maybe there is. Find it. Personally I saw it on paper just after it had happened. It may also interest you to note the following. At that time Cheung was all over the MA press. He claimed that only he had been taught the "correct" Wing Chun and, as such, would be unbeatable to any man from any art. He was also shooting his mouth of regarding accepting any challenge to prove this. So up pops Boztepe who showed him one of the articles, asked if he was ready, and then dominated him in a school boy roll on the floor. Cheung claimed that his Kung Fu slippers were too slippery for the fight, but in the main he shut his mouth. It is only years later that the assortment of silly excuses were invented, like being "surrounded by armed supporters of Boztepe" and "being jumped on from behind". He even claims he won the fight! Pathetic.

4. I mean that they are acrobats and not martial artists, and was a reply to this post from you



You knob.

I was being sarcastic and playing the "devil's advocate".
And how can you call me a knob? Have you seen something?

[Thai Bri]

You're pretty think.

Here goes.

1. I know he is on a camera. But Cheung is supposedly demonstrating real multiple armed assailant defence. What member of a team of armed assailants will stand still for all that length of time? It merely shows how unreal the training is. Pathetic.

2. I was laughing ast the grappling because he shows a completely laughable version of grappling. Pathetic.

3. Maybe there is. Find it. Personally I saw it on paper just after it had happened. It may also interest you to note the following. At that time Cheung was all over the MA press. He claimed that only he had been taught the "correct" Wing Chun and, as such, would be unbeatable to any man from any art. He was also shooting his mouth of regarding accepting any challenge to prove this. So up pops Boztepe who showed him one of the articles, asked if he was ready, and then dominated him in a school boy roll on the floor. Cheung claimed that his Kung Fu slippers were too slippery for the fight, but in the main he shut his mouth. It is only years later that the assortment of silly excuses were invented, like being "surrounded by armed supporters of Boztepe" and "being jumped on from behind". He even claims he won the fight! Pathetic.

4. I mean that they are acrobats and not martial artists, and was a reply to this post from you

Todays "Shaolin Monks" do

You knob.

[47MartialMan]

ok......this is interesting

Haw haw haw! Look in that first link. One guy does not move a muscle for 7 entire frames! Has he been fookin frozen? Haw haw haw!
"frozen for the camera.....


And the "grappling"? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!
hmmnnnnn..

Hey, 47MartialMoron - I have no links.
Yes......ok
I was around at the time of the massacre, and it was long before the internet.
Yes, I know...just thought there may have one or a write-up existing

By the way, the Shaolin Monks are an acrobatics show, you knob.
What do you mean by this? To what is this reply to?

[Thai Bri]

Haw haw haw! Look in that first link. One guy does not move a muscle for 7 entire frames! Has he been fookin frozen? Haw haw haw!

And the "grappling"? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!

Hey, 47MartialMoron - I have no links. I was around at the time of the massacre, and it was long before the internet. By the way, the Shaolin Monks are an acrobatics show, you knob.