Do soldiers make better Martial Artists?

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Right on

As funny as that was, I found it more rediculus that the ST would enter a place where they sacraficed the high ground and had no clear retreat path to regroup or attack. They were pretty much sitting ducks, and only bad things can happen when this senario is played out. Any time you're a much smaller invaiding force in completely unfamiliar surroundings, the element of suprise is the most important thing. ST commanders have the ability to deviate from set mission parameters when the element of suprise is lost. Getting his men out alive should of been his top priority, but then again, it's Hollywood!
Mahalo, Jeremy

[Broadsword2004]

Hey, there are people out there that think that movie "Bloodsport" with Jean-Claude Van Damme is realistic

Another fake SEAL scene I don't get, even though I liked the movie from a pure entertainment standpoint, is "The Rock" with Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage. In the scene where the SEALS are facing off against the Marines at gunpoint (with the SEAL captain there played by the same guy who played the SEAL captain in the movie "Navy SEALs" --- Michael Beihn), while the captain and Ed Harris are busy screaming at each other, the one Marine is like to the other, "Let's waste these f**kers..." and then the other one knocks a big rock into the area where the SEALs are standing, and the one SEAL swings around going "AAAAAHHHHHH!!!" and opens fire like some looney tune nutcase, I mean, I am no military guy yet, but I could believe that scene if a National Guard troop did that; a SEAL though would be trained specifically NOT to do something that stupid I'd think, cuz then of course everyone will fire.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Worst movie ever!

You referring to that movie he was in called, "Navy SEALS"?

Yeah, that's the peice of crap that I was referring to! Any time i was jumping into water, I just worried about not racking myself when I hit the water. The only thing that's more idiotic than that movie are the people that think that's the way it really is.

[Broadsword2004]

You referring to that movie he was in called, "Navy SEALS"?

Just wondering. If that is the movie by the way, in the one scene where they parachute out of the plane, they are wearing shoes as they fall to the water, but then after they open their chutes, all of a sudden they have fins on as they hit the water; must take some real skills to jump out of the plane, take off your shoes, pull out a pair of fins, and put them on, all before pulling open your chute

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Complete agreement

From my experience, the Marine Force recon units are second to nobody (including Navy seals) in warfare. Having spent almost as much time at 2D recon as at ST2, I'm glad to see that the DON is putting them on equal footing, it's long overdue. Force recon as a whole has the best shooters of any special ops unit and their water insertion is on par with the Navy and miles ahaid of anyone else. My best friend is a retired force recon Gunny Sgt. from Pendleton, and his training was just as tough as mine. The only problem is that Charlie Sheen hasn't made a cheesy B budget movie about force Recon yet! LOL
Mahalo, Jeremy

[koto_ryu]

Socom, or special operations command, is the most generic term used so far on this thread and isn't exclusive to the Navy, but is used when special forces from more that one branch are working teoghter in a joint operation. They used the name for the video games because the Dept. of the Navy wouldn't give them permission to use the name tacron.

Wasn't using it just for the Navy, just saying that the Marines are finally going to be permanently attached to SOCOM, which is good shit in my book

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Great point by Tom Yum

A lot of the conditioning is greater in the military due to the fact that it is a way of life. Unless you have suffered a injury, you have to PT with your command 3-5 days a week. Generally they aren't given the freedom to take a day off when they feel like it, and most service members take advantage of the free base gyms and have their own personal weight lifting-workout program that goes above and beyond the commands mandatory pt program.
Thank You, Tom Yum for once again focusing a thread back to center after one of my off tangent remarks!
Mahalo, Jeremy

[Tom Yum]

on a side note

The army/marines offer PT classes for non-military people trying to get in shape. That's probably the best kind of weight loss & fitness program you could be in.

Back to the main issue - I'd say that the average military person training in martial arts has a lot of things going for him compared to the average civillian - like discipline, fitness and focus. How many of us run 3-5 miles a day before work, then get started on calisthenics?

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Socom

Socom, or special operations command, is the most generic term used so far on this thread and isn't exclusive to the Navy, but is used when special forces from more that one branch are working teoghter in a joint operation. They used the name for the video games because the Dept. of the Navy wouldn't give them permission to use the name tacron.

[koto_ryu]

The army is special warfare, the marine force recon and navy seals fall under spec. warfare for the dept. of the Navy, either tacron 21 or tacron 22, depending on which coast the team is stationed on.

Sf for the army also refers to rangers and delta as well as a huge group of psyops guys.

Actually, about a year ago, some Force Recon units were getting attached to SOCOM so it looks like we're moving up a tier or so

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Sf

The army is special warfare, the marine force recon and navy seals fall under spec. warfare for the dept. of the Navy, either tacron 21 or tacron 22, depending on which coast the team is stationed on.

Sf for the army also refers to rangers and delta as well as a huge group of psyops guys.

[Broadsword2004]

I would say a lot of warriors in the military aren't in special operations forces, I mean you could be a basic infantry troop who fights hard and is brave; that is a warrior too I'd think.

Your national guard troops and reservists over there, who just got pulled in a conflict cuz they are in it for $$$, I wouldn't necessarily call warriors though.

By the way, the Special Forces are of the Army (the "Green Berets"). The others are all Special Operations Forces (i.e. Delta Force, Rangers, Marine Force Recon, Air Force Pararescue, etc...).

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Sf

There should be no doubt that a WARRIOR does not have to be in the military, however there are a few they are the Special Forces and some of them can most certainly fight like no civilian ever will due to one word EXPERIENCE. Thier instructors have actually been in a real fight (one rule in a real fight win or die..) and can pass the lessons learned onto the new warriors.

This is very true, and the main reason why I suplimented my military training with traditional arts. Most self defense senarios on the street aren't life and death situations. I felt that I needed a more well rounded backround to give me optoins in a street fight other than killing someone. I understood that my choices affect my family, not just myself, and that spending the rest of my life in prison would put undue strain and hardship on my wife and kids as well. Because of this, I sought out more traditional arts (japanese, okinawan, and chinese) and after 10+ years of training in a more traditional setting, have turned to JKD. It is my bridge between the SF style kill or be killed mentality and the less forceful (but just as good) more traditional world. Training in a traditional dojo senario isn't always realistic, but neither is thinking that every conflict will result in death.
Mahalo, Jeremy

[EmptyneSs]

Oh yeah man. I've already had a stroke or two because of the intense anger and obsessional hatred I feel towards you.

dude look how upset i make this junior high kid on the internet. his obsession with me is his main motivation in his posts, although his obsessions with drugs an 8 year old bodybuilder and tom yum motivate him as well.

[Ironpalm]

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