Do soldiers make better Martial Artists?

[EmptyneSs]

But all the martial arts, dope smoking and weight lifting isn't going to help you if you're still a scared little pussy on the inside.

thats probobly the reason u dont train at all cause u know either way ur still a weak little bitch who hasnt even hit puberty yet. not only that, but yet again u are talking about drugs in a thread that has nothing to do with em, wich leads me to believe u still havent seeked help for ur addictions.

and whats funnier is how ur trying to say im bragging, yet all i mentioned was that i stopped a fight. yeah im tooting my own horn, im so hardcore at stopping fights. im the best fight stopper ever. get a life u pencil neck faggot instead of trying to chime in on my posts by replying to things i didnt even say, or that u just made up. also, if 1 person is facing 3, he is gonna get his ass kicked, thats just a fact, its not me bragging. and its great how u call me a pussy when u dont even train in a ma, ur just a bitch, and everyone knows it, especially u.

[koto_ryu]

were talking about hand to hand combat ability though, and the fact is most military units dont get that much hand to hand combat training. a us army soldier does not have the same hand to hand combat abilities as dedicated martial artist that trains in hand to hand combat everday.

Very true. As I said before, if I were to count the number of times I saw an admin geek get his ass kicked because he just got his tan belt in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program and decided to try to fight in a bar, I'd run out of finger AND toes. I went through when the LINE training was still in effect and then I got into MCMAP, and I actually feel the LINE training was far more effective. I've been in and seen a few brawls where you'll have two Marines against four or five guys and the Marines'll be stacking up their bodies like cordwood just due to the fact that Jarheads are well-conditioned, most of em are pretty tough, and for the sheer fact that we like scrapping more than anybody else. God gave Marines brains larger than horses so we don't shit on the streets when we're marching in parades, but with some exceptions (i.e. the 10% that slip by and manage to make the Corps look bad), there's really only two kinds of Marines: big and mean, or small and mean. The majority of Marines are rude, lewd, hard-nosed, and iron-balled; the rest who aren't are just playing Marine and should really be in another service (i.e. Air Force).

I'm saying Marines as this was my main experience, being on a few Army bases didn't put them in too well of a light with me, especially after we were having a friendly little brawl outside of a bar one night and the soldiers were flailing around their arms like a schoolkid getting his ass beat. Some Navy guys are pretty tough, but I've mostly only worked with corpsmen. As for the Air Force, we called them "punching bags in dress uniforms"

[EmptyneSs]

Well I have to disagree in one area, in that the training of a martial artist in no way compares to compares to a skilled, well conditioned professional soldier that trains hours everyday, works out, and shoots all the time.

Both are martial skills, just the one guy emphasizes old-style ways of fighting, the other guy emphasizes the newer style.

were talking about hand to hand combat ability though, and the fact is most military units dont get that much hand to hand combat training. a us army soldier does not have the same hand to hand combat abilities as dedicated martial artist that trains in hand to hand combat everday.

[Broadsword2004]

yeah, most people in the military dont get that much training in hand to hand combat. some of the more elite units probobly do, but for the most part they dont train that much in martial arts. they learn to use guns and equipment, and outdoor survival skills because these are more important in todays battlefield. their training in no way compares to a skilled, well conditioned martial artist that trains hours everyday, works out, and spars all the time.

im sure there are alot of tough dudes in the military, there are tough dudes everywere. but there are alot of guys who think just because they are inlisted they are automatically badasses, regardless of what training they do or dont get. the guy who was getting in my face was just a regular guy in the us army. the entire night he was starting shit with people and acting like he was the shit because he was a soldier, and would look down on others or measure them up. the problem is cockiness. so many arrogant people out there. i see it alot in ma too. there are people in ma who love to talk about how tough they are 24-7. they think just cause the practice a ma they are the shit. i know a kid who tries to fight everyone because he been doing bjj for a few months, isnt good, and is in poor shape. and he tries to get chicks with it all the time, he is such a douche. i see alot of people like that were i train as well as other places, just like some of the military guys who think they are badasses when they arent.cockiness is lame. cockiness always leads to an asskicking eventually.

Well I have to disagree in one area, in that the training of a martial artist in no way compares to compares to a skilled, well conditioned professional soldier that trains hours everyday, works out, and shoots all the time.

Both are martial skills, just the one guy emphasizes old-style ways of fighting, the other guy emphasizes the newer style.

[EmptyneSs]

That's some impressive stuff EmptyneSs. Bragging that you would have pounded a soldier with the help of two other martial artists?

how was i bragging when i said that i stopped a fight from happening???? how am i trying to be a badass by not resorting to violence and instead using words to difuse a situation? yeah its easy to beat someone down when its 3 on 1. thats y i stopped the fight. i mean, i know i have to explain obvious shit like this to ur dumb ass all the time since u cant figure it out for urself, but damn u are one stupid ass kid.

[LittleDemon]

I consider myself a true martial artist because after my ex boyfriend beat the hell out of me i survived and carried on with my training, my best mate who was the first and only person i told for a very long time about it took a polaroid of my back where he ebat me with the chain but i fought through my depression and lack of self confidence and carried on with my training, but without inner strength i think i would have completely lost myself , your probably thinking if i was already practicing martial arts why didnt i fight back well it is a long story and i loved him which blinded my fight impulse, i was confused because i didnt realsie he got the wrong end of the stick about me going to meet up with a male friend from italy who i have grown up with hes like an older brother and he heard i was meeting "this guy" had me followed got me on my own in a secluded area the next day went to kiss me and punched me across the face then beat me black and blue with a chain on his jeans, it was a harsh lesson i had to learn to never completely trust anyone, i was 15 and he was 19 and i trusted he was a mature adult obviously i was wrong. He never queried me about it before he attacked me if he had he wuld have learned we are friends and i hardly see him because his parents split up so he lives in italy with his dad 99.9% of the time and has a steady gf.

But i got there in the end, and the way i see it some people are born killers aka soldiers meaning they can kill when it comes down to it and then there are everyday people such as martial artists who can train to know how to kill in depserate circumstances but also what seperates us from soldiers is that their job description is kill or be killed in wars, martial artists train to know how to fight but not necissarily kill if you see what i mean.

I fought like a dog against depression and have found i can trust men again and am opening up to people again its taken nrlty 4 yrs bt i got there so yeah its not only outer strength but inner strength as well which sperates the weak from the strong!!!!!!

"I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself, a brid will fall frozen dead from a bow without ever having felt sorry for itself!" G.I. Jane

[koto_ryu]

im sure there are alot of tough dudes in the military, there are tough dudes everywere. but there are alot of guys who think just because they are inlisted they are automatically badasses, regardless of what training they do or dont get.

Haha, yep, got them pegged I was amazed at how many pussies actually made it into the Marine Corps, who would talk all tough until a challenge was thrown down then they would hide behind NCOs and the like. One of my old roommates in the Marines was maybe 5'8" and 100 pounds, but acted like he was the hardest guy on Earth until you actually challenged him then he'd back down in a hurry. There were so many people like that, it irritated me, especially when you meet the true badasses and make the comparisons.

Case in point: this happened just a month or so ago. My best friend and I went to a local bar to get shitty and play some pool. His girlfriend was going to be meeting us so we figured, hey, she'll be DD then. We're at the bar getting some drinks when a guy next to me who sees me in my Gore-Tex jacket and asks "Hey, were you in the military?" I reply yes, I was in the Marines for a time but now I've been out a few months. Then he flat-out says "My buddy here is a Marine, and I think you're fucking lying. Your hair looks a little too long to have just gotten out." Turns out this is some E-3 who does Legal Admin, hence the regulation high-and-tight, tucked-in shirt, and Geek Squad attire, trying to impress some blonde girl next to him. Let's just say I put my foot up his ass verbally, and he and his buddy left pretty red-faced. Once I unzipped my jacket and showed off my 3rd Recon T-shirt it was all downhill from there for them

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Dead on!

From my experience, the more elite of the US military would be less likely to get into a fight, but the same can be said for any well trained martial artist. When you've gone through any really tough training, and pushed your mind and body beyond all your preconcieved limits, you realize you only have to prove things to yourself. Most people that talk shit are trying to convince everyone else that there hard, because they don't believe it themselves. It just seems like overcompensation. And the military attracts all kinds of people and now takes a lot of the wrong kind, because manning levels are so low and they can't afford to be as choosey as they used to. It sounds like the jerk deserved a beetin.
I had some army puke step over the line with my wife at her last duty station. I really don't care what people say to me, but if you mess with my family, I'm out for blood. I beat his ass in the office of their command, and the next day when the Colonel found out and called me into his office with that jerk, I pulled my dress blues out of the closet and went on in. When the guy saw me come in, it looked like he pissed his pants. When the Colonel found out what started the fight, the army pfc got 45 days restriction and I got a handshake and a thank you.

[EmptyneSs]

yeah, most people in the military dont get that much training in hand to hand combat. some of the more elite units probobly do, but for the most part they dont train that much in martial arts. they learn to use guns and equipment, and outdoor survival skills because these are more important in todays battlefield. their training in no way compares to a skilled, well conditioned martial artist that trains hours everyday, works out, and spars all the time.

im sure there are alot of tough dudes in the military, there are tough dudes everywere. but there are alot of guys who think just because they are inlisted they are automatically badasses, regardless of what training they do or dont get. the guy who was getting in my face was just a regular guy in the us army. the entire night he was starting shit with people and acting like he was the shit because he was a soldier, and would look down on others or measure them up. the problem is cockiness. so many arrogant people out there. i see it alot in ma too. there are people in ma who love to talk about how tough they are 24-7. they think just cause the practice a ma they are the shit. i know a kid who tries to fight everyone because he been doing bjj for a few months, isnt good, and is in poor shape. and he tries to get chicks with it all the time, he is such a douche. i see alot of people like that were i train as well as other places, just like some of the military guys who think they are badasses when they arent.cockiness is lame. cockiness always leads to an asskicking eventually.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Military hand to hand

[QUOTE=TheMantis]For a while I have been thinking about military hand-to-hand combat and how effective it may be.

Most of the U.S. military doesn't do any kind of hand to hand training as part of their PT program. The few that do to any real extent are limited to the Special Forces for each branch, which make up less than 5% of the total department of defense. Out of these guys, I have personally served with, trained, and known a lot of them (SF)over the years and all of them had a significant martial arts backround.

Regular forces, (my wife joined the Army in 2001) don't do any kind of hand to hand training other than some pugil stick work in basic. The only training they may get is if their Commander has instituted a program, but very few do. Most base gyms offer some kind of martial arts training, but it is strictly voluntary, and done after normal working hours.

[HtTKar]

Martial Art, The Art of War

Thing is soldiers are trained killers martial artists are just trained fighters

Karate is just being used as an example here.

I have to completely disagree here.
All soldiers are Martial artists, but not all martial artists are soldiers.

A Karate-ka is someone that takes karate, but that does not make him a true martial artist. It just means that he knows karate.

Someone that studies guns, may have a lot of knowledge about different models and how to shoot, but that doesnt mean they know how to hunt and track a person.

Martial Arts is so much more than just learning how to fight. It also includes situational awareness, and battle strategies.

A true martial artist studies the art of war, not the art of fighting. This includes learning from history, your opponent, and yourself.

If a person were to follow the Art Of War, they would be considered a martial artist, whether they knew Karate or not.

I could dare to say that a martial artist not even need to know how to fight at all, rather he could just be a commander of an army, or a dictator.

So do soldiers make good fighters..that depends on the soldier. A group of soldiers standing together, and fighting together would definitely be better of than a group of thugs attempting the same outcome. However, when you separate these soldiers....one on one, they are just regular people.

I do agree with you that "as soon as he walks into the room you can tell he's a killer". I know that 1000 mile stare more than I'd like to admit. But a person need not be in the military to kill people. I'd rather face someone that killed people during wartime, than someone that kills people in their own hood.

Each individual is different. The military may make great martial-artists whether or not those individuals excell in H2H combat. Its all about teamwork against greater adversity.

[LittleDemon]

Thing is soldiers are trained killers martial artists are just trained fighters, you cant stick the two in the same category, yeah we learn how to kill people but also how to restrain them you know killing being the very last resort in self defence, soldiers in context of being good martial artists are bloody amazing becayse they learn all the deadliest quickest ways to disarm an opponent also quick gruesome ways to use a knife etc my sisters husand was bosnian military police he and to fight in the bosnian war, im telling you as soon as the guy walks into a room you know he is a killer but he is also the nicest guy ive ever met, you do not want to **** with these guys because soldiers, military police whatever they are know how to kill you within seconds and are used to it but pit them against a martial artist who has never killed a man there will be that little awarness in his/her mind of how much fight to use whereas a soldier will go all out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[koto_ryu]

Yeah! Yeah! I would of killed him!!!!! Yeah! Thats PROOF of how tough I am! Yeah!

In all seriousness, many soldiers are fit people. Hand to hand training isn't really emphasised thouh. In special forces they often have people with ard attitudes. That, coupled with ridiculously high levels of fitness, makes for one tough cookie unarmed.

That's your average infantry Marine there Most of the non-infantry related MOSes, however, are a different story

[Thai Bri]

Yeah! Yeah! I would of killed him!!!!! Yeah! Thats PROOF of how tough I am! Yeah!

In all seriousness, many soldiers are fit people. Hand to hand training isn't really emphasised thouh. In special forces they often have people with ard attitudes. That, coupled with ridiculously high levels of fitness, makes for one tough cookie unarmed.

[EmptyneSs]

How impressive. He was about to get messed up.

yeah, he was about to, but luckily for him i used words to difuse the situation. my 2 friends arent the type of people to back down, they are extremely down to fight.im the kinda person who would rather stop a fight than start one. that dumb ass soldier was lucky i was there to prevent him getting savagely beat down.

this might be impressive to u since u dont even train in a ma and just like to run ur mouth, but to me it wasnt impressive at all. it was weak sauce. just some bitch like u who talked shit and was about to get served. thats about it.