dangers of flakey teachers and the rise of internet fu

[TigerClaw]

Btw, why did you never answer my question about whether or not you have ever been to a "remote village in China" and some nutjob watching monkeys? Remember that? You never answered that...

No, I have never been to a remote village in China and e=watched a man who learned kung fu from monkeys.

But your attack is false here. Because there are men , kung fu men who have learned monkey style from watching monkeys. Also the originator of Seven Star Praying Mantis style watched monkeys and the actual Praying mantis itself and developed techniques from them. He was no, "nutjob"? Do you think that by calling men like him a nutjob that it means anything to anyone?

[TigerClaw]

If I take what I learned in training, and then show it to one of my younger cousins, does that make me a "teacher"?

To me, a teacher is someone with a license or certification, belonging to a school. Someone who apprentisted as a brown belt, did all the grunt work in the dojo, then tested for and was made a teacher by some sort of association. Do you fit ANY of that criteria, TG?

Please answer both questions.

First question, yes you are teaching your cousins so you are a teacher. Teaching by the very definition is to teach or instruct information to others. Some of the earliest Kung Fu fighters were the originators of their styles. They did not just grab some ancient secrets from the air.

And about the second question, yes I went through the ranks and was officially recognized as an instructor, and I achieved a seniors class level at another club and I helped teach others. And I have taught privately as well as presently in two locations. I have also taught another Kung Fu master as well.

But, I have no problem at all with anyone who practices and develops their own style and teaches it. They can truely be said to be a teacher. The question is , do people think that they can learn good fighting from him? Truthfully, I have met masters that teach but I don't think they are too good at their Kung Fu even though they had credentials, so called.

[jubaji]

No, I have never been to a remote village in China

No you haven't, but that doesn't stop you from going on and on about silly shit you saw in old movies or heard in old stories. You are a clown.






I have been to remote villages in China. Most people there - by necessity - are practical people and would laugh even harder at you than we do here.

[JadeDragon]

If I take what I learned in training, and then show it to one of my younger cousins, does that make me a "teacher"?

To me, a teacher is someone with a license or certification, belonging to a school. Someone who apprentisted as a brown belt, did all the grunt work in the dojo, then tested for and was made a teacher by some sort of association. Do you fit ANY of that criteria, TG?
Please answer both questions.

Mr. Arieson, with all due respect but why do you think that someone has to belong to some type of association or have some type of certificate to say you can teach?

I taught for my teacher when I was a brown belt as part of my training. Then when I got my black sash in kung fu I taught for him. I later got my 2nd level black sash but now my teacher has moved to China. I don't have him here to ask if I can teach, does this mean that I can't teach? Of course not. Even if he didn't approve of me teaching I could still teach if I wanted to. He does know I'm teaching though because I've been in contact with him through e-mail. His response to me was "good, make you some extra spending money."

[JadeDragon]

fair enough.

[TigerClaw]

You have a point. My instructor holds no credentials, except a long time as bouncer. I have every confidence that he would hold a black belt in many different arts, if tested. However, my instructor is not on this forum claiming anything, so to me, that's the distinction. If he was, I would expected him to be challenged on it.

By TG's definition, I have been a Martial Arts instructor for over 25 years as well...but I hardly believe that about myself, just because I have been showing friends, relatives and co-workers techniques I learned from other people does not make me an expert. Who is to say I have mastered the techniques myself, or even showed them correctly to others? I don't think I have at all.

My definition of a teacher in Martial Arts generally follows the criteria I mentioned above.

An expert and a teacher are not exactly the same. Like i said, if a person teaches anything they know, even if they have one class and can teach another what they learned in that one class. They are technically a teacher of their knowledge. But the ones learning may not trust his ability or he may not have perfected it to make it work for him.

But you know a strange thing. If I met a man who had two classes in a, lets say, Tai Chi mantis club and he learned the first 10 moves of a form. I could ask him to show me and I could learn them very quickly. I an not trying to boast, but because of my learning and training I would be able to learn the form from him most likely better than he could teach it. I am sure that many instructors could do this. Just another angle on this talk.

[TigerClaw]

Here is the clip I was talking about

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Faz1yjEQM4k&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

[Ben Grimm]

I have nothing to prove. Didn't you post that clip on another thread. Back to the same old shit that got you booted from DL. You never learn.

[DaleDugas]

TK,

Who did you study with?

Do you have a website, just curious.

[Ben Grimm]

He claims to have trained with Sterling Lin in Canada, as well as Brian Leishman and an anonymous CLF instructor. Nobody can find any information on Sterling Lin or E Chuan Mun. Hopefully this helps Dale.

[Middleweight]

I don't need 900 hours. Just one picture of you, teaching a class in a formal setting.

Who cares? and WHY do you?

Just askin'

[Middleweight]

No you haven't, but that doesn't stop you from going on and on about silly shit you saw in old movies or heard in old stories. You are a clown.






I have been to remote villages in China. Most people there - by necessity - are practical people and would laugh even harder at you than we do here.

You need to grow up, jubaji. I have seen your taunts and innuendoes on this thing since I first signed on 3 days ago. I find you a source of irritation, only because I hate pettiness. Seems to be your specialty

You are lucky that I am not a moderator

[jubaji]

Whew! Dodged a bullet there!

[TigerClaw]

Well now, at least we know what you mean when you call yourself a "teacher". I am glad we were finally able to clear that up!

No, you missed , or deliberately did not quote the rest of my post, where i said i went through the ranks to a teacher. Also a senior class and helped in that club as well. But this is typical of you to omit things that rebuke you and to take things out of context. I really hope your out of here for good.

[sunwukung]

If othes believe me, well, thats good , it makes things easier to discuss.

I'm sure it would make things 'easier', but if others believe you then there is nothing to discuss, just a sermon to listen to. Surely one of the fundamental aspects of debate is providing adequate proof for your opinions?

But all we can do is tell our history, describe techniques, post pictures of us showing the techniques and video etc

In the examples you've posted, your opponents are not resisting, and they are not skilled in the arts you compare kung fu to in these threads. So all they demonstrate is a technique, but not the situation.

if people believe it good, if not, .....oh well, it doesn't really matter.

Really? So why on earth do you continue to post in these futile discussions across several threads - each of which now number in the 100's. You say you have nothing to prove, but submit post after post in which you try to do just that.

The fact is that you make strong claims, then refuse to back them up and then get upset when people don't believe you. There's a simple solution. Stop posting arguments you cannot verify, or provide demonstrations in a more realistic setting.