dangers of flakey teachers and the rise of internet fu

[TigerClaw]

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I know grapplers and I even taught a professional grappler some techniques in the past (actually he is just getting into the pro part) . I showed him how to escape from a rear naked choke, he found it very useful and thanked me. And no, I will not tell you his name, or his other teachers name who I also have met. I have even been hired by a MMA club to teach kung fu in the past, but I had to turn them down because it was too far from where I live to drive.

[sunwukung]

I know grapplers and I even taught a professional grappler some techniques in the past (actually he is just getting into the pro part) . I showed him how to escape from a rear naked choke, he found it very useful and thanked me. And no, I will not tell you his name, or his other teachers name who I also have met. I have even been hired by a MMA club to teach kung fu in the past, but I had to turn them down because it was too far from where I live to drive.

Allow me to point something out to you TC. Do you understand that you can say whatever you want, but this is purely anecdotal and no-one barring yourself has the capacity to know if you are telling the truth?

I could say that I was the bodyguard of someone very,very,very important. But if I refuse to tell you who it was, then why should you believe what I say to be true?

This is not an accusation, it's a simple fact of communication. Do you accept that? If so, then you have to also accept the fact that all these anecdotes are effectively empty of meaning. They may be interesting, they may even be true, but in terms of communication, no-one can evaluate whether what you're saying is true or false.

[jubaji]

I know grapplers and I even taught a professional grappler some techniques in the past (actually he is just getting into the pro part) . I showed him how to escape from a rear naked choke, he found it very useful and thanked me. And no, I will not tell you his name, or his other teachers name who I also have met. I have even been hired by a MMA club to teach kung fu in the past, but I had to turn them down because it was too far from where I live to drive.

I believe you so much I can't tell you...

[Ben Grimm]

I have to agree with sunwukung on this. You claim to be a teacher, both sunwukung and I are students of WC. People are just after something a little more evident than what you have shown so far.

[TigerClaw]

Allow me to point something out to you TC. Do you understand that you can say whatever you want, but this is purely anecdotal and no-one barring yourself has the capacity to know if you are telling the truth?

I could say that I was the bodyguard of someone very,very,very important. But if I refuse to tell you who it was, then why should you believe what I say to be true?

This is not an accusation, it's a simple fact of communication. Do you accept that? If so, then you have to also accept the fact that all these anecdotes are effectively empty of meaning. They may be interesting, they may even be true, but in terms of communication, no-one can evaluate whether what you're saying is true or false.

I know these things, but, I know that I tell the truth, so for me that is enough, If othes believe me, well, thats good , it makes things easier to discuss. But I would not want to, or even be able to go back to the MMA school that hired me and take a video of the man that hired me and have him say yes he hired me just to put it on this site. And I would feel ridiculous to go back to the MMA teacher that I know and say, "hey, can I teach you that rear naked choke escape again, and this time can we film it for the ones who hate me and attack me without any proof on a martial arts forum, oh and by the way can you show some resistance so they see that it really works". He would think I was crazy. That would be ridiculous, I think you can agree there. So we only have our words and experiences and picture and at times video.

I may post some new video in here in the future and pics, it depends what mood I am in.

But all we can do is tell our history, describe techniques, post pictures of us showing the techniques and video etc, and if people believe it good, if not, .....oh well, it doesn't really matter.

[jubaji]

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[TigerClaw]

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another stuttering, meaningless post.

When you respond to something, be specific, get into details, examine, define, relate, expose, use reasonable discussion, show techniques and describe strengths and weaknesses.

[jubaji]

Your nonsense has been pointed out hundreds of times now, Rain Man.

[TigerClaw]

..People are just after something a little more evident than what you have shown so far.

Ben, I wait for you to post anything at all, showing that you really have done martial arts. Anything, a picture of you in your club, or doing a technique, anything.

[TigerClaw]

Your nonsense has been pointed out hundreds of times now, Rain Man.

Again, you fail, you give no details of anything I have said that is nonsense. I teach and speak real things and workable techniques and you give nothing. You do not define what you mean, you do not explain any details, or give any proof, or quote anything etc. You just give the same pointless talk.

Why do you bother posting anything in here Jubaji?

Really, I ask in all seriousness, why?

[jubaji]

Still waiting, Rain Man......

[jubaji]

Btw, why did you never answer my question about whether or not you have ever been to a "remote village in China" and some nutjob watching monkeys? Remember that? You never answered that...

[TigerClaw]

Btw, why did you never answer my question about whether or not you have ever been to a "remote village in China" and some nutjob watching monkeys? Remember that? You never answered that...

No, I have never been to a remote village in China and e=watched a man who learned kung fu from monkeys.

But your attack is false here. Because there are men , kung fu men who have learned monkey style from watching monkeys. Also the originator of Seven Star Praying Mantis style watched monkeys and the actual Praying mantis itself and developed techniques from them. He was no, "nutjob"? Do you think that by calling men like him a nutjob that it means anything to anyone?

[TigerClaw]

If I take what I learned in training, and then show it to one of my younger cousins, does that make me a "teacher"?

To me, a teacher is someone with a license or certification, belonging to a school. Someone who apprentisted as a brown belt, did all the grunt work in the dojo, then tested for and was made a teacher by some sort of association. Do you fit ANY of that criteria, TG?

Please answer both questions.

First question, yes you are teaching your cousins so you are a teacher. Teaching by the very definition is to teach or instruct information to others. Some of the earliest Kung Fu fighters were the originators of their styles. They did not just grab some ancient secrets from the air.

And about the second question, yes I went through the ranks and was officially recognized as an instructor, and I achieved a seniors class level at another club and I helped teach others. And I have taught privately as well as presently in two locations. I have also taught another Kung Fu master as well.

But, I have no problem at all with anyone who practices and develops their own style and teaches it. They can truely be said to be a teacher. The question is , do people think that they can learn good fighting from him? Truthfully, I have met masters that teach but I don't think they are too good at their Kung Fu even though they had credentials, so called.

[jubaji]

No, I have never been to a remote village in China

No you haven't, but that doesn't stop you from going on and on about silly shit you saw in old movies or heard in old stories. You are a clown.






I have been to remote villages in China. Most people there - by necessity - are practical people and would laugh even harder at you than we do here.