MMA Sport fighting and Kung Fu combative, the real difference...

[KenshiRyan]

No I am not. What Just because I say I would not learn boxing and wrestling, that makes me arrogant..

No what makes you arrogant is that you think you can comment on boxing or wrestling's self defence effectiveness without having any experience in it at all.

I'll say this again since your obviously still to busy listening to yourself:


If you have never had any experience with the likes of boxing or wrestling THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to claim it is inferior to kung fu in terms of self defence.


"watch my step"?

lol what are you threatening me now? please. arrogant jackass

[KenshiRyan]

I don't claim, I give my opinion. This is based on what I know so far and what I have experienced and seen. But I have always said that the art is only as good as the man in it. A diligent BJJ person will be better at his art than a lazy Kung Fu man who doesn't practice. And visa versa.

No you dont do you? because making a claim would involve ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDING that which your claiming to have knowledge about.
You just give us an un-educated and biased opinion.

i do pay attention and I don't agree with them. You act as if i should agree with them, just because they said so, or because they are also a martial arts teacher. your logic is flawed. i can have my own opinions based on my experience.

You are more than welcome to have your own opinion, but you have no right to tell us that your opinion is right when your basing your opinion on your "experience" that involves nothing to do with boxing or wrestling etc. Do you understand yet?

Also I am not self righteous...... Christ is my righteousness. But you on the other hand....

Keep digging. But watch your step.

You are self righteous Tigerclaw; I'll explain how:

You think your opinion is right when the experience you base your opinion only involves experience in kung fu. You cannot compare kung fu to boxing because you have never done boxing.

For example you cannot publish a reveiw on a restaurant that you have never been too/ have no experience of in a newspaper, as this would give a flase and unfair representation.

[jubaji]

You seem to get a kick out of trying to attack a kung Fu teacher.

How long is it going to take to get it through your pin head that YOU do not equate to 'kung fu.' When everyone points out that YOU are an idiot, they are talking about YOU specifically.


Moron.

you've still consistantly attacked sports arts

I don't attack sports arts, i just distinguish between the two. One is for survival combat and the other for sport entertainment with rules and gloves and strict guidleines.

and claimed kung fu is superior to all arts,

I don't claim, I give my opinion. This is based on what I know so far and what I have experienced and seen. But I have always said that the art is only as good as the man in it. A diligent BJJ person will be better at his art than a lazy Kung Fu man who doesn't practice. And visa versa.

you dont even pay attention when someone posts a valid point that descriptively explains to you how your opinion is flawed,

i do pay attention and I don't agree with them. You act as if i should agree with them, just because they said so, or because they are also a martial arts teacher. your logic is flawed. i can have my own opinions based on my experience.

I'm suprised somebody was actually able to teach you "kungfu" when your so self righteous.

I still learn kung fu and my sifus do not think this way about me, I am respectful and peaceful around them. Also I am not self righteous. Christ is my righteousness. But you on the other hand....

Keep digging. But watch your step.

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LARPerific.

I wouldn't say he is perfect thou, far from it.

You are an arrogant, condescending little prick, did you know?

No I am not. What Just because I say I would not learn boxing and wrestling, that makes me arrogant. I am sure there are some good boxers and wrestlers that can handle themselves. But I don't have any interest in it. Is that a crime?

You are the arrogant one, and the mocker. You seem to get a kick out of trying to attack a kung Fu teacher.

i think you have been so use to attacking people and doing your witch hunting that when a person like me that tells you the truth comes along you just attack as usual. Or you may have been swayed by the liars who attack me falsely .

I don't think I am better than people, I just have a different perspective on things from my experience. It is not a crime or arrogant to like the style you practice and to think it is a good fighting style.

[jubaji]

I said my sifu could take on two guys at the same time. I believe he could from what I have seen of his combative ability.I am not really bragging about him. Just discussing the ability with some in the Kung Fu world.

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LARPerific.

[jubaji]

I could at any moment show teachers, names, schools. locations history, lineages, picture and videos of my sifu's, their sifus and my classmates and my students and many more convincing proofs.

Ok, go ahead. If you don't, after making that claim, then you are just full of shit, which of course we know you are.

[TTEscrima]

You don't know what you are talking about. The kung Fu that i practice, I actually have been able to use in combat.

Combat eh? Bullshit, I'm SICK of clowns who have never been to war using warfighting terms (warriors, combat etc) to describe their macho squabbling or even worse to describe two guys in their underwear fighting over a purse.

You wanna tell me about using it in combat tell me which service/unit and area of operation otherwise stop trying to make yourself seem cool, because you're really just insulting those who have experienced combat.

The CMA's were developed for SD and of the tens of thousands of recognized standing techniques there are only a handful of ground techniques. The ground was/is the last place you want to be in a real fight thus no one developed techniques for rolling around on the ground. They did develop techniques to get back up, but they did not develop them to try to stay there and win. Shit does happen, it is possible someone may survive your strikes and manage to get you on the ground. By ignoring this fact you show how little understanding of fighting you have.

I grew up training with a family that has a system BASED in the CMA's, but they started every kid the same place, wrestling, then we learned to box then Combat Judo...because those were the skills we were most likely to encounter and knowing our opponents tools was an advantage. NOW they also require their kids to learn BJJ because you must adapt to the threats in your environment. Once people have exhibited proficiency in those arts the training in the actual family system based in CMA's is begun, study of the wrestling and boxing and judo continues right along side the traditional arts as they grow.

Over the years knowing what to expect from a wrestler or boxer (because I began training them formally at the age of six) has been an advantage, those opponents I faced who did not have a firm foundation in the traditional arts were at the disadvantage since I knew their tools but they didn't know mine. You are obviously unfamiliar with the foundational tools the sport arts provide, while you may (but I HIGHLY doubt it) be prepared for a fight in China two hundred years ago, you're extremely unprepared for a fight with a well rounded modern day martial artist in any country.

And yes you can actually fight using moves from the forms and in stances etc. It is not easy and few seem to go this path. But in the end I believe it is far better. It is how the original fighting style was intended to be done.

I've been studying daily since the early 1960's, I'm very well versed in the CMA's thank you, and as you noted, it was how it was supposed to be done several hundred years ago against the threats that existed then. If those same men were to design their arts today they would undoubtedly include grappling. Even IF you managed to master the actual system from the 1600's you'd be prepared for a fight in the 1600's and against the threats they faced there, not a fight today against the current styles/threats.

Even Bruce Lee had to modify his CMA training to "fit" what he encountered here, but YOU don't find this necessary.

[USArmyBJJ]

You don't know what you are talking about. The kung Fu that i practice, I actually have been able to use in combat. And yes you can actually fight using moves from the forms and in stances etc. It is not easy and few seem to go this path. But in the end I believe it is far better. It is how the original fighting style was intended to be done.

I'm certainly not going to say unequivocally that you have not done any of what you say. I don't know you, and generally think it's best not to judge someone without some type of evidence one way or the other.

However, one of the things that I like about BJJ guys (and one of the things that drew me to the art in general) is their general willingness to put their art and their individual combat skills up to the public test. That is, when someone challenges them, they film it and distribute it. Do you have any clips of you in action? I mean, I don't expect to get a street fight video from you - but do you at least have a vid of you sparring or doing a form or something that people could actually gauge your technique and skill with?

I truthfully would not waste my time learning boxing, or wrestling. Not that they are not effective for combat and I am not trying to slam a entire style. It is just not something i am interested in at all.

I don't see anything wrong with this. I've said before on the board - I have no real desire to learn unarmed "self-defense." I'm old enough now, and live a good enough life, that protecting myself from random attacks on the street is really just something I'm not worried about. I enjoy MMA, BJJ, boxing, etc. because of the competitive aspect of it. I enjoy debating the usefulness of various arts in terms of self-defense for much the same reason....

I think it's fair to say, "Hey - I'm just not that interested in that art." I feel the same way about Kung Fu.

I would apply a combative aspect to it for a quick and fast survival combat.

Not really sure what this means in practice, but ok.

[KenshiRyan]

I truthfully would not waste my time learning boxing, or wrestling. Not that they are not effective for combat and I am not trying to slam a entire style. It is just not something i am interested in at all.

And that is exactly why you are wrong to explain to us how boxing etc fail's when you've never had any experience with it.

I put that in bold and underlined in hope that you'll understand it and shut up.

[KenshiRyan]

I said my sifu could take on two guys at the same time. I believe he could from what I have seen of his combative ability.I am not really bragging about him. Just discussing the ability with some in the Kung Fu world.

In the wrong thread. zip it and go elsewhere.

[KenshiRyan]

LOL, if you knew how wrong you are you may have to eat a big piece of humble pie. I could at any moment show teachers, names, schools. locations history, lineages, picture and videos of my sifu's, their sifus and my classmates and my students and many more convincing proofs. But I choose not to do this. I just watch as you and others dig a deep hole for themselves and be secure in their falsehood s and errors. it is comical almost. Except for the fact that yo are lying and falsely representing another martial arts teacher.

You just exposing yourself more and more and so do the other people when they even, for a second try to attack me and my qualifications, background, training, history lineages sifus teaching etc.

Attack you? lieing? and falsely representing another martial artist? sounds alot like the crap you've done
I just dont think posting a picture of someone you claim to be yourself changes anything, you've still consistantly attacked sports arts and claimed kung fu is superior to all arts, you dont even pay attention when someone posts a valid point that descriptively explains to you how your opinion is flawed, you show no real logic, and willingness to listen to what people are telling you, I'm suprised somebody was actually able to teach you "kungfu" when your so self righteous.
To be honest I cant be bothered discussing anything with you when you constantly spout about the same crap in 3 different threads, lie about myself telling people things I've done when I've done nothing of the sort just to try prove your point, and I'm digging myself a hole? please. Go elsewhere and spout your crap.

The top two pictures won't open, not on my computer-phone, and not on my regular PC. The bottom picture is of some school's patch. What gives? Where is the picture of you teaching a class of 20 people, like you claimed?

Here is the picture you could not open

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/KungFuClassesnew1.jpg

I still don't see it. All I get is a big, white page, with the little + symbol icon. I click on that to "show picture" and there is nothing. Can someone please post it here directly?

And I know that TTESCRIMA knows that I have never made any claims about being something I am not, so the challenge was never for ME to post any pictures. I am not the one that said that my martial arts was better then everyone else's, that I was a martial arts teacher, and that I could "Take two MMA guys out in 15 seconds".
Tigerprawn made those comments, so yeah, he does need to prove that he is a major teacher with top-echelon skills. He does need to back that kind of bragging up.

Where is the little shit-bag this morning, anyway?

I said my sifu could take on two guys at the same time. I believe he could from what I have seen of his combative ability.I am not really bragging about him. Just discussing the ability with some in the Kung Fu world.