MMA Sport fighting and Kung Fu combative, the real difference...

[DaleDugas]

he is being asked to answer some pretty simple questions that he keeps refusing to answer.

But he keeps posting and posting and posting about how his kung fu and his Christianity make him better than people who do not hide like he does, post up websites where they teach and have open classes which he does not do, show people where their schools are located and invite people to come visit them and see what they do rather than post on and on and on and never back up what they say or let people see if they have any skills or not.

Bruce,

Are you going to answer the questions asked of you or what?

[JadeDragon]

No Im, not i am just feeling like I stepped into a Ultimate fighter house full of rude childish arrogant men who think they know something. They fail at discussion so they resort to, ok lets fight.

I deliberately don't do this to let them dig a deep hole for themselves, I watch on and wait.

But if you are wise, don't assume anything about me and then go about to say your assumptions are facts. They do this and so lie about me and many others things.

You are right about 99.9% of the mma fighters. Most of them that I have met are rude, cocky, and always up for a fight like they have something to prove. I think this comes from not staying in one specific martial art long enough to learn and understand that there is more to life than just fighting. Yes I know martial arts is about fighting but their is a healing side to martial arts as well. There is the whole honor, respect, and only fight for self defense thing too. I think mma practitioners miss out on this part of the martial arts. It's a whole different kind of discipline that they aren't used to. Not saying they aren't disciplined, just a different kind. Sometimes winning a fight means walking away.......unharmed.

You say that you let them dig a hole for themselves and you wait. Wait for what? What are you going to do? I don't understand this comment.

[DaleDugas]

Bruce,

Why do you hide?

Adults step up and do not hide.

Why do you act like this and make all these statements but refuse people to see your students and how you teach them?

Acting like this makes people wonder if you are really who you claim yourself to be.

FYI the person known as Tigerklaw is being ripped to shreds on Bullshido.

It seems he is intent on posting on and on about being a real honest to go trained Chinese martial arts teacher and shifu, yet he is totally unwilling to let people know where he teaches, he scoffs at the idea of actually testing out his "theories" on the made up material he claims has been passed down to him, and overall cowers, whimpers, moans, and hides rather than act like the supposed adult that he is and step up, let any and all know where he teaches, and be proud of his actions.

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The lying mouthboxer posts as Hungkungfu.

No Im, not i am just feeling like I stepped into a Ultimate fighter house full of rude childish arrogant men who think they know something. They fail at discussion so they resort to, ok lets fight.

I have told them many times that I don;t fight for the reasons they fight. i also don't want to go into the sports fighting arenas, Not because of fear. But because it is not real combat to me and limits kung Fu applications and proves nothing to me. My principles are towards the highest moral and spiritual paths. I only fight for self defense and helping others, as well as controled sparring with others.

I have not made up anything, I choose not to share details and names on the net, and I have no desire to meet such people as many of them are. I also don't want them bothering my sifus with their garbage and arrogance. But they don't accept this and continue on and on filling their lonley lives with their constant attack and mocking. It is pathetic really and sad.

I could at any time expose all of them as liars, I could give videos of my sifus in action and pictures of my classmates and past teachers and many forms and details etc. But I choose not to.

I deliberately don't do this to let them dig a deep hole for themselves, I watch on and wait.

But if you are wise, don't assume anything about me and then go about to say your assumptions are facts. They do this and so lie about me and many others things.

[DaleDugas]

FYI the person known as Tigerklaw is being ripped to shreds on Bullshido.

It seems he is intent on posting on and on about being a real honest to go trained Chinese martial arts teacher and shifu, yet he is totally unwilling to let people know where he teaches, he scoffs at the idea of actually testing out his "theories" on the made up material he claims has been passed down to him, and overall cowers, whimpers, moans, and hides rather than act like the supposed adult that he is and step up, let any and all know where he teaches, and be proud of his actions.

for anyone wanting to enjoy the roast of Tigerklaw come visit Bullshido

The lying mouthboxer posts as Hungkungfu.

[KenshiRyan]

No I have posted my own pictures of me doing techiques,

Like these,

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/shoot4final.jpg

Lol does he always train "deadly" moves by finishing with his finger in his partners mouth?

[USArmyBJJ]

If I had it to do it all over, (and was young again), I would have started out in a sports art, got a good set of meat and potatos core skills, then after a few years, start learning a RBSD system (learning knife disarms and weapons attacks) then save traditional martial arts such as good old Karate-Do or Aikido for my old age, when my body could no longer handle tough training, but I still wanted to work on the zen aspect to martial arts, (all the mystic BS that I enjoy, like "KI").

Very smart post.

[KenshiRyan]

I think we should keep this argument to the day to day life that the majority of us face, a fight in the street, mugging, etc. As my basic training instructor said "gun beats fist in all aspects". Rather then two people arguing about the armies training, lets keep it to the average person who just wants to learn "self defense" not how to kill someone. I think that would be for the greater benefit to most people on this website.

Very good point, things have been a bit off track lately, even though the track is a circle.

[-FIGJAM-]

I have to say that for combat reasons, MMA probably isnt really effective, you learn way to much about fighting on your back rather then on your feet.

That being said, can we clarify what "combat" fighting is? Is a street fight considered "combat"? is the ring considered "combat" or is it only the battlefield?

If it is only the battlefield then how many times were the traditional fighters slaughtered by a western country due to fire power?

I think we should keep this argument to the day to day life that the majority of us face, a fight in the street, mugging, etc. As my basic training instructor said "gun beats fist in all aspects". Rather then two people arguing about the armies training, lets keep it to the average person who just wants to learn "self defense" not how to kill someone. I think that would be for the greater benefit to most people on this website.

Also to clear up any misunderstanding and not be asked about my service time, i was a reservist for the Australian army with 1 goal in mind and that was to finish basic. I have not seen any action as they say and have not completed my entire training, so my knowledge is limited in that regards, also i am in Australia, my training is different to the SF of USA, etc.

Thanks,

[Tom Yum]

Let's keep this friendly, guys. No personal attacks - Paul Mitchell that's even too deadly for the streets. Got some guys here with alot of practical experience in different arts - what one individual learned to take the fight in Vietnam is as valid as what another has taken to Afghanistan.

And now for my own opinion, I think muaythai is one helluva art. Prior to the 20th century, fights did not end until one of the participants were dead. Instead of gloves, leather wraps laced with sharp objects were used. Its probably for the best that the art became a sport - I still shudder the first few times I got leg kicked full-contact, damn near put me into shock.

Muaythai is a core part of alot of military and security hand to hand techniques.

Traditional arts and sports-MMA arts are from the same family.

Jujitsu was too deadly. In the 19th century, practitioners would go through the worst part of Japan and pick fights with hoodlums and not stop until someone was near dead. Judo was created from jiujitsu as a means to perserve the art and allow practitioners to come back for more training - but judo finishing holds are every bit as deadly.

JKD - well, not a traditional art - but Vunak would take the SEAL teams out to some unscrupulus places and did the same thing.

One team, one fight.

[TTEscrima]

"Defanging the Serpent"?? That's sounds really familirar and no, that's not from MMA.

Yes, It's SOOOOO hard to comprehend where they got the idea for something called Defanging the Serpent, when their instructor is none other than Kelly Worden. Gee, I wonder what they could be learning from Kelly that would cause them to choose that name? Gosh I just can't imagine, maybe I just don't have the experience and background to grasp the concept.

[TTEscrima]

TTEscrima,

So, it looks like we agree that the article I posted made no reference whatsoever to TMA training. While I'm impressed with your ability to "read between the lines," I'd be much more impressed with an article that actually says what you want it to say. I'm glad that's cleared up.

As far as your personal experience with the guy, that's your experience. I don't know the guy so can't comment on it. One thing seems clear - the guy is no fan of MMA (at least in terms of Spec Ops training). You are right about that.

But we've cleared up that you were incorrect when you said the article I posted said that Spec Ops training is based on TMA. It's clearly NOT based on MMA, but that doesn't automatically mean that it's based on Kung Fu - especially if the best evidence you have so far is, "I've never heard him talk about it!"

Okay genius, If they aren't learning MMA/sport arts pray tell what do you think is left other than the TMA's?

Oh wait you probably believe they're learning Extreme Martial arts from Paul Mitchell.

I'll close with this quote from Keating's site today:

"The tsunami that has became MMA has swept away mind and body of a generation. While being an athletic, technically brilliant combative sport it falls way short of being a life enhancing, life saving, health maintaining combative methodology that true Kung Fu offers to one. The higher levels (many levels) of fa jing, the internal powers of the ancients, real secrets of longevity and more are rapidly being lost. To teach them or even speak of them in today's gone mad martial environment is tantamount to being branded a phony or worse. I teach such stuff behind closed doors and to special students only.
Yes, I fear misunderstanding and ridicule
just as the other guy does.
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I have learned not to display my personal beliefs or the controversial sides of my training. Life is easier that way. Why do I speak out now ? I speak out now because we are losing vital ground to commercialism, anger, blood lust and outright short sighted stupidity. Whether knife or Kung Fu, the circumstances are the same. Erosion and corrosion from the bad tribe (in yer face) are eating the good things (the hidden gems) slowly away, including our most precious gem, our civil rights ! Turning the good things into shit is their game. Destroyers all."

Sem1

[USArmyBJJ]

Yes, he's trying to say the only thing he's ever tried to say - kiss his ass and agree with everything he ever writes or he'll go into a little hissy fit.

That's becoming more and more clear. Considering his age - that's pretty....sad.

[USArmyBJJ]

TTEscrima,

So, it looks like we agree that the article I posted made no reference whatsoever to TMA training. While I'm impressed with your ability to "read between the lines," I'd be much more impressed with an article that actually says what you want it to say. I'm glad that's cleared up.

As far as your personal experience with the guy, that's your experience. I don't know the guy so can't comment on it. One thing seems clear - the guy is no fan of MMA (at least in terms of Spec Ops training). You are right about that.

But we've cleared up that you were incorrect when you said the article I posted said that Spec Ops training is based on TMA. It's clearly NOT based on MMA, but that doesn't automatically mean that it's based on Kung Fu - especially if the best evidence you have so far is, "I've never heard him talk about it!"

[mellow]

For reference, here is the article I posted: 1ST Special Forces Group (Airborne) develops functional combatives program for operators, support elements

Where does it say that they are preferring traditional arts?? It says that they are branching out beyond MMA, but nowhere does it say that they are preferring "traditional arts." In fact, I specifically asked you before for a cite that said that they are favoring CMA, and you did not provide it. I'm certainly not going to say that the cite doesn't exist - but I haven't seen it.



I'm not really certain what you're talking about here. If you're saying that it's better for self-defense purposes to carry a weapon, you won't get any argument from me. But I think that's beside the point of this particular discussion thread.

"Defanging the Serpent"?? That's sounds really familirar and no, that's not from MMA.