MMA Sport fighting and Kung Fu combative, the real difference...

[USArmyBJJ]

But on the other hand a simple video of you and a student just sparring even light contact would at least prove to these doubters that yes you do in fact teach and have some kung fu knowledge. Not that you have anything to prove because I feel the same way but at least it would shut them up and stop them from irritating you (unless you enjoy them calling you a lier and a fraud).

I think that's a fair statement. It won't convince everyone (nothing ever will), but it's a good start.

[TigerClaw]

TigerClaw.....I see both sides on this arguement. Yes, you are right on that if you used the brutal techniques that you have learned in kung fu it will seriously injure the person your demonstating on because these techniques were designed for life and death situations, not sporting events. But on the other hand a simple video of you and a student just sparring even light contact would at least prove to these doubters that yes you do in fact teach and have some kung fu knowledge. Not that you have anything to prove because I feel the same way but at least it would shut them up and stop them from irritating you (unless you enjoy them calling you a lier and a fraud).

TigerClaw....I think that the reason these mma guys are so disrespectful is that they were never in one specific art long enough to learn that there is more to martial arts than just fighting. They never learned the respect/honor/humility aspect of martial arts. Like Bruce Lee said in Enter the Dragon.....he practiced the art of fighting without fighting.

I might do some videos in the near future. But I can tell you I have seen some of the videos and fighting from them, and truthfully, it is nothing at all, I mean, really, nothing. It looks just like a street brawl to me.

The problem now, is that some may think that i am boasting and saying I am so great etc. I don't seek to do anything like this at all. And I am still learning as well as teaching.

[JadeDragon]

Tigerclaw..........I have a counter for when a grappler shoots in for a leg, tell me what you think. When he shoots in and he's in the position that you showed in your picture you strike both sides of his head with a palm strike to each ear or one ear (bursting his ear drums).

I agree with you in that you couldn't really do this or demonstrate it with out causing permanant damage to the person. Then they would sue you.

[TigerClaw]

Tigerclaw..........I have a counter for when a grappler shoots in for a leg, tell me what you think. When he shoots in and he's in the position that you showed in your picture you strike both sides of his head with a palm strike to each ear or one ear (bursting his ear drums).

I agree with you in that you couldn't really do this or demonstrate it with out causing permanant damage to the person. Then they would sue you.

It may work. But the angle is hard to strike from. They shoot in and twist to the side tucking their head back and in close and around. It happens very fast. try shifting back with your stance, or shoot your legs back and strike down full power to their spine and if you hit certain areas you will stop them quickly. Also strike just behind the neck at the base of the spine. But to do this you have to get them before they lock on. The technique i showed is if they get into the lock and grab your leg. You can also shift back in a side bow and circle over with the left hand and shoot the right hand or elbow down hard on the spine or head.

You technique might work, if you can attack them before they get in. But as far as the technique I showed, you can also reach over and lock around the throat with an eagle claw or tigers mouth and crush. As you either strike the back of the base of their spine near the base of the skull with a leopard strike or press in hard to allow more pressure on the throat crush. It doesn't matter after that if they do bring you to the ground, if you can lock in tightly this will work. Again these techniques are dangerous, i suggest not trying them fast.

If he does get n and you are able to quickly shift back with both legs and have your body on top of him, you can also reach up with the right hand and attack the groin. This may not seriously connect. but it will cause him to shift his position and crouch in and changing the situation and technique. If he is on the defense it is harder than for him to attack with the shoot and bring you down. But remember, even if he manages to bring you down. it is not over there.

[jubaji]

TigerClaw....I think that the reason these mma guys are so disrespectful is that they were never in one specific art long enough to learn that there is more to martial arts than just fighting. They never learned the respect/honor/humility aspect of martial arts.

First of all, who are "these MMA guys"?

And whoever they are, I guess they also didn't learn the racist ranting, threats and klan affiliation that seems to be an 'aspect' you picked up along the way...honor and humility my ass, you couldn't be further from either of those.

Like Bruce Lee said in Enter the Dragon.....he practiced the art of fighting without fighting.

It's official, tigerclown and Jethro were separated at birth.

[jubaji]

Tigerclaw..........I have a counter for when a grappler shoots in for a leg, tell me what you think. When he shoots in and he's in the position that you showed in your picture you strike both sides of his head with a palm strike to each ear or one ear (bursting his ear drums).

I thought you said you had wrestled (albeit at East Nowhere High School)?


I now doubt that you ever did.

[kingoftheforest]

On June 14, 2007, the California State Athletic Commission revealed that Gracie had tested positive for Nandrolone, an anabolic steroid, after his fight with Sakuraba. According to the California State Athletic Commission, the average person could produce about 2 ng/mL of Nandrolone, while an athlete following "rigorous physical exercise" could have a level of around 6 ng/mL. Both "A" and "B" test samples provided by Gracie "had a level of over 50 ng/mL and we were informed that the level itself was so elevated that it would not register on the laboratory's calibrator," said the CSAC. The Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu master was fined $2,500 (the maximum penalty the Commission can impose) and suspended for the remainder of his license, which ended on May 30, 2008. Gracie paid the fine.
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Real stand up guy.

[TTEscrima]

The argument against this is the entire Gracie family. Look at Royce. A classy, kind guy. The type of person who probably defended all the picked-on people he ever met.

The entire Gracie family?????? Oh yeah drug addled psychos who carjack the elderly pull knives on old men and steal their bikes are great examples of the dignified and classy MMA practitioner. Apparently even getting bashed in the head in the middle of a theft after stabbing an old man and dying in prison doesn't change Arieson's views on his heroes.

[TTEscrima]

Kingoftheforest, don't you have some Wiccan ceremony out in the woods that you need to get to? Maybe a little running around "skyclad" under the light of the moon with the other guys and gals with braided, grey hair?

YEAH KOTF don't you have something better to do than to post the truth about their MMA heroes? Interesting how all he can do in response is make a personal attack on you, I guess when someones heroes are scumbags not much else can be expected from them though.


But, don't worry his judgment and opinions are obviously well informed and unbiased, we all know who else he's a fan of.

[kingoftheforest]

Nutsack takes the cake.

Kingoftheforest, don't you have some Wiccan ceremony out in the woods that you need to get to? Maybe a little running around "skyclad" under the light of the moon with the other guys and gals with braided, grey hair?

The funny thing is I haven't the slightest fudging idea what any of this sheet means.

But this guy seems to have intimate knowledge of it. I think someone is bitter cause he's the only guy on the block that doesn't get play from the neighborhood hippie chick.

I guess even people he considers lowlifes have standards.


Run along and plat Tekken3 in your ballet suit Mr. I'm too cool for anybody. And nurse that lip cancer from that chew you supposedly use as a deadly weapon.

Proof is in the pudding and in print but it's too too much for Mr. I'm better than.

[TTEscrima]

On June 14, 2007, the California State Athletic Commission revealed that Gracie had tested positive for Nandrolone, an anabolic steroid, after his fight with Sakuraba. According to the California State Athletic Commission, the average person could produce about 2 ng/mL of Nandrolone, while an athlete following "rigorous physical exercise" could have a level of around 6 ng/mL. Both "A" and "B" test samples provided by Gracie "had a level of over 50 ng/mL and we were informed that the level itself was so elevated that it would not register on the laboratory's calibrator," said the CSAC. The Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu master was fined $2,500 (the maximum penalty the Commission can impose) and suspended for the remainder of his license, which ended on May 30, 2008. Gracie paid the fine.
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Real stand up guy.

Hehehe so he was jacked up on roids when Sak whipped his ass eh? But don't worry no doubt that was the only time entered the ring jacked up on drugs.

[KenshiRyan]

I don't claim to be better than anyone.

Yeah you do?

firstly you say:

I am not saying "superior" or not, I am saying there is a difference to sport fighting and real life survuval combat fighting.

In that same post you then write:

I do see Kung Fu as a superior fighting style to all other martial arts on the planet.

Your a kung fu fighter arent you? your telling us how your superior.

Kinda contradictory dont you think?

I also have not lied about others, if so show me where?

ok:

Garth said this in response to KenshiRyan




Well said, I feel the same about many here. It seems as if they are out to attack and bash others.

I want reasonable discussion and to help others serious martial artist to share techniques and learn from eachother, we can post videos and pics and techniques and learn alot if we could get past the mockers and those who seem to be only here to attack others.

Here you use me as an example of me "bashing" other arts, I have not bashed any art this intire thread. So yes you have lied about others.

I also have not claimed wrong experience. I have constantly spoken the truth

You really are stupid arent you? Ok I'll repeat what you've said again

One minute you say:

I truthfully would not waste my time learning boxing, or wrestling.

The next:

I have studied boxers for years and had many discussions and had them attack me and not get through my guard and defense. I am in a boxing gym often and I know boxers and have studied their fighting for a long time. As far as wrestlers I have studied them also .

You've told us you have no interest in learning boxing, and then a day later you tell us you've studied boxing for years, you also claim to be in a boxing gym "often", sounds like you've claimed fake experience there? surely that counts as not being truthful.

As far as my observation and experience with grappling and what i have said about the sport fighting aspect of it. I have had people agree with me on this and who understand what I say.

I dont know if you relise but you have another 20 or so who disagree with you every time you post this same thread on these forums, aswell as when you post it in other forums.

Got the hint?

[TigerClaw]

Your a kung fu fighter arent you? your telling us how your superior.

I did not say that I am superior. I made a statement in context about one things, then another time I made a more definite statement about my opinion of Kung Fu, they both have certain places in the time and context they were made. I made each one in a different context and with stress on certain aspects..

Here you use me as an example of me "bashing" other arts, I have not bashed any art this intire thread. So yes you have lied about others.

I said,

"Well said, I feel the same about many here. It seems as if they are out to attack and bash others."

When I say I feel, that is not a definative statement, it is a open one and subject to further investigation. Also I said some attack others and bash others. there are two groups here, those who attack and bash. You fit into a certain group. Also i said they attack and bash "OTHERS", not styles of Kung Fu. Although when anyone says that the Kung Fu I teach does not work etc they attack my style.

You quoted me saying,

"if we could get past the mockers and those who seem to be only here to attack others.'

then you said,

"Here you use me as an example of me "bashing" other arts, I have not bashed any art this intire thread. So yes you have lied about others."

If you look close I said "attack others", not styles.

You then quote me saying,

'I truthfully would not waste my time learning boxing, or wrestling.
The next:
Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerClaw
I have studied boxers for years and had many discussions and had them attack me and not get through my guard and defense. I am in a boxing gym often and I know boxers and have studied their fighting for a long time. As far as wrestlers I have studied them also .

Then you said,

"You've told us you have no interest in learning boxing, and then a day later you tell us you've studied boxing for years, you also claim to be in a boxing gym "often", sounds like you've claimed fake experience there? surely that counts as not being truthful.

You are really weak at your reasoning ability here. I said i did not want to waste my time learning boxing. learning and studying it for defensive purposes is dfferent. I study the way they attack EACHOTHER AND watch for weaknesses in their stances and strikes etc. This is study, not practicing it or learning it from a teacher. Very different. So no lies yet.

I am in the boxing gym often, to practice on the bags usually and I talk with some there. But I am not part of the classes. Very different things. You assumed to much and too quick, and tangled yourself up here.

So clearly we can see that I have not lied at all. You have errored and rushed to wrong judgement of me.

[KenshiRyan]

I made a statement in context about one things, then another time I made a more definite statement about my opinion of Kung Fu, they both have certain places in the time and context they were made. I made each one in a different context and with stress on certain aspects..

....yawn....

I am not saying "superior" or not, I am saying there is a difference to sport fighting and real life survuval combat fighting. You mut s agree with this. Outside of the ring, I said it depends on how well each has perfected their art, and their ability to attack vital areas faster. I did not say Kung Fu fighters can overcome MMA fighters all the time.

I do see Kung Fu as a superior fighting style to all other martial arts on the planet. However, this is my personal preference. But as to each individual in either style, (kung fu or MMA), that superiority depends on the man or woman in it..

"different context"?
"certain places in the time and context they were made"?

please..

You are really weak at your reasoning ability here. I said i did not want to waste my time learning boxing. learning and studying it for defensive purposes is dfferent..

Your going to tell me that learning boxing is different to learning and studying boxing for defencive purposes? Im sorry but doesnt everyone learn martial art for defencive purposes?...... To be honest your really pathetic at your reasoning ability as always.

I study the way they attack EACHOTHER AND watch for weaknesses in their stances and strikes etc. This is study, not practicing it or learning it from a teacher. Very different. So no lies yet.

I dont know about you and how you describe "learning kung fu" but when I "learn" boxing I study the way my opponent "attacks and look for weakness in my opponents technique and stance" are you going to try tell me that this isnt learning?

So yeah...your still a lier, just alot more stupid than usual.

I am in the boxing gym often, to practice on the bags usually and I talk with some there. But I am not part of the classes. Very different things. You assumed to much and too quick, and tangled yourself up here.

I suggest you get yourself tangled up in an dictionary and figure out exactly what the word "learning" means

So clearly we can see that I have not lied at all. You have errored and rushed to wrong judgement of me.

No? you still lied? your just trying to convince everyone that "learning a martial art" has a complete different meaning too "learning a martial art for defencive purposes" to save yourself from looking like a jackass, not that it would actually work.

rushed to the wrong judgement of you? No Im quite convinced that my original judgement of you was exactly right: a larping idiot

[Ben Grimm]

I bet he thinks he's Stephen Chow in Shaolin Soccer. Trying to get the whole world to learn Kung Fu.