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[TigerClaw]

I have been shown an escape for every hold/submission but I have been told by military S.M.E.'s and civilian L.E.O's that a properly applied RNC works so fast you don't have time.


These are all experts in their fields.

Well, then you were taught wrong. And most likely they did not know certain fast escapes then. Like the one I showed.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I have been shown an escape for every hold/submission but I have been told by military S.M.E.'s and civilian L.E.O's that a properly applied RNC works so fast you don't have time.


These are all experts in their fields.

Quoted for truth. A properly applied choke takes 3 seconds or less to have someone pass out, too little time to apply an escape. It'll take a second for you to realize you're in deep shit and you have 1 second to try something. The other second is just you getting tunnel vision and losing feeling in your body.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I'd just like to add this little video. These guys from Submissions 101 are not that good at all but they can still choke someone out in 3 seconds. Imagine someone who is actually good with powerful squeeze to apply that choke.

Submissions 101: Free Online Jiu Jitsu Videos

[Junka]

I'd just like to add this little video. These guys from Submissions 101 are not that good at all but they can still choke someone out in 3 seconds. Imagine someone who is actually good with powerful squeeze to apply that choke.
Submissions 101: Free Online Jiu Jitsu Videos

Funny, I really like those guys work. I believe one of them works as a bouncer which always gets my vote for knowing a thing or two.

Once properly applied, yes it's basically over. Luckily I doubt there's a whole lot of people who will know it that well though.

[KenshiRyan]

This technique works great in a high stress, resistant situation. i have done this like that. It can be done very fast, if PROPER TECHNIQUE AND PRACTICE IS DONE. Like every martial arts move.

Im sure you have....

God... this is pointless

[TigerClaw]

Im sure you have....

God... this is pointless

Yes, well you seem to hate real discussions, you know the ones where we actually talk about techniques and share info. You seem to like more of the mocking attacks .Please go away.

[TigerClaw]

During grappling we put the arm bar, or any submission, on progressively to allow the other person to tap. Otherwise it would be a limb/joint/tendon damaging matter. So basically, once the arm bar is on, the question of escape is pretty futile. There are plenty of ways to prevent it before it's on though.

There is always an escape from every move.

[TigerClaw]

If properly applied the RNC is pretty much inescapable.

No, it is not, not if you really study how to escape.

But if you think that, go ahead and believe it. But in the real world of survival and combat, consider what i have shown. If you find yourself in that position, I believe you may try it and find that it works.

Go ahead and have someone attack you and quickly push up the elbow and lock the hand pulling it forward and at the exact same time shift your hips to the side and duck out. If it is too hard strike the groin firs or stomp the instep of the attacker with the heel to distract him giving you just enough play to do the technique.

i have shared with you one of the best escapes from the rear naked choke on the planet I believe. But there are some other good ones.

The reason this technique works good is that it can be done by a weaker person against a larger attacker. leverage is the key to this. If you break the pressure from both elbows that are squeezing together then the choke cannot be done right. Also by stepping to the side and twisting the arm around the neck has no force.

[jubaji]

I hope ya'll are seeing why we banned this fool from the dragonslist.

[TigerClaw]

I hope ya'll are seeing why we banned this fool from the dragonslist.

LOL, the DL banning was a childish act of power hungry men who were exposed for their lies and error concerning me, and I am guessing in a fit of rage they banned me. Don't believe much of what Jubaji says. he has many aliases and is a chief mocker and troll. And one of the worst kinds of martial artist. I am not speaking about his techniques or lack of them.

[TigerClaw]

To all, the technique I showed also works great on the ground from this position. the escape is a bit more tricky, but similar.

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/Rearnakedchokefromtheground.jpg

By the way, just ignore Jubaji.

Hey why not post your pictures of RNC escapes.

Or let me know any grappling techniques that you want to discuss and see if Kung Fu has answers to it.

[Tant01]

Newbie mistake....

To all, the technique i showed also works great on the ground from this position. the escape is a bit more tricky, but similar.

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/Rearnakedchokefromtheground.jpg

By the way, just ignore Jubaji.

You might take a look at the crossed feet of the idiot applying the choke in your picture...

[KenshiRyan]

Yes, well you seem to hate real discussions, you know the ones where we actually talk about techniques and share info. You seem to like more of the mocking attacks .Please go away.

ffs you absolute idiot, honestly I hate real discussion?

Well, then you were taught wrong. And most likely they did not know certain fast escapes then. Like the one I showed.

THIS is not discussion, this is you being an arrogant twat telling everybody that anything they have learnt is wrong and we have no idea what we are talking about.
This isnt real discussion, this is just you waiving your dick around and feeling like the man cause you dont get to do so in real life.

I AM discussing technique with you idiot, I've just explained to you why that technique wont work against someone stronger and most likely wont work against anyone who knows how to properly apply a rear naked choke, I've told you how you need to use somthing more reliable and efficient such as stomping back at their kneecap. You havent even acknowledged anything anyones said on how to stop a RNC, you've just continued to pat yourself on the back while you rant some more about how effective your technique is.

If anyone disagrees with you you automatically tell us we are wrong and our experience is faulty and we should listen to you, if this is your idea of "real discussion" then yes I hate your idea of real discussion because I dont need to have some larping idiot claim to have all this experience when its completly obvious you dont, the fact that you need to spout the same shit on several different forums shows us you have no real confidence in your training and you substitue that by pushing it in peoples faces online just to get a dash of confidence in what you've learnt.

LOL, the DL banning was a childish act of power hungry men who were exposed for their lies and error concerning me, and I am guessing in a fit of rage they banned me. Don't believe much of what Jubaji says. he has many aliases and is a chief mocker and troll. And one of the worst kinds of martial artist. I am not speaking about his techniques or lack of them.

There you go again! if anyone disagree's with you they are automatically childish kids "abusing our power" and they have been "exposed for their lies"
honestly the way you talk sounds like an absolute larper as well.


You sir are the worst kind of martial artist, one who has no real experience combined with absolute arrogance and a compulsive need to lie, and needs to push his way around online to make him feel more secure in his ability since he has no real experience to base his ability on.

just move onto the next forum and spout your shit troll

[Ben Grimm]

TigerClown will never stop until he's been banned from every forum.

[TigerClaw]

TigerClown will never stop until he's been banned from every forum.

You mean until I have been unjustly banned from some.