Sriking take down

[kingoftheforest]

YouTube - Barry Davis Double-Leg Takedowns, Part 1

This one is closer to what I know but has more variations too.

He says his left leg leads but his head is physically in front of his body.

Is it also not true that you use your momentum to put your opponent off balance.

I'm not dissing you Junka, don't get me wrong. I'm proving a point here.

For all the lamentations that I don't know what I'm talking about some people can't answer simple question because they've painted themselves into a corner.

If you feel this works best then by all means use it. You have been more than civil and open minded and I enjoyed our conversation and exchange of idea.

But from my view you can't get your head under the other guys shoulder without it being in front of you when you shoot in.

I wrestled all the way up to high school and a little past. My younger brother wrestled and sometimes we still do for kicks.

My uncle was a wrestling coach for a local club, it was the first thing I learned.

It looks to me like your head is out in front of you for the shoot, I guess is the point I'm making.

[TTEscrima]

YouTube - Barry Davis Double-Leg Takedowns, Part 1

This one is closer to what I know but has more variations too.

You beat me to it (part two is pretty good also), yeah you can clearly see they don't lead with their head.

Anyone else doubt Jubs has ever wrestled anything? He doesn't even know what a double leg entails ROFLMAO.

YouTube - Double Leg Takedown

YouTube - Takedown Machine

His using a pencil to dissect a technique and compare it to the movement of the human body was priceless.

[jubaji]

Well all the shoots I've seen on UFC the guy doesn't lead with a punch and he doesn't lead with a kick but his big ole noggins right out there unprotected.

In the UFC you will see an awful lot of folks setting up shots with punches and/or kicks. The "noggin" is 'protected' by how one would set up and execute the shot. If someone doesn't set up the shot or shoots poorly then he will probably pay for it, the same way someone throwing a poorly timed and exectued punch or kick would.

[jubaji]

YouTube - Human Weapon - MMA - Double Leg Takedown


is this a proper double leg?

That would be a standup double, which I'm not such a fan of. The vid doesn't indicate anything about a set up. In any case, that 'illustration' is not a great shot even at that. The shooter seems to be turning his head as he steps in, and his arms are too far out. The graphic artist who made that was not too familiar with a shot.

[kingoftheforest]

In the UFC you will see an awful lot of folks setting up shots with punches and/or kicks. The "noggin" is 'protected' by how one would set up and execute the shot. If someone doesn't set up the shot or shoots poorly then he will probably pay for it, the same way someone throwing a poorly timed and exectued punch or kick would.

So you don't deny then that you lead with the head?

Because in both vids the head is out in front, but you seem to be avoiding the question.

[kingoftheforest]

That would be a standup double, which I'm not such a fan of. The vid doesn't indicate anything about a set up.

Regardless of the "set up" though his head is out in front, that's called leading with the head.

[Junka]

Hi KOTF, yes I've found you very civil and good conversation too.
Actually I wasn't making a point I just posted the video without fear or favor, or without caring who's argument it backed up or didn't.

For all the lamentations that I don't know what I'm talking about some people can't answer simple question because they've painted themselves into a corner.

I've never accused you of that, as you know. Nor do i believe that. I think you've made good points about the double leg, anyway I've never seen one used in a street context. That said I'm no expert on grappling either, I just found it the easiest take down I was shown. I'm not saying it's a good idea in a street fight.
The only 'takedowns' I've seen in a street context were basically somewhere between a rugby tackle and for want of a better description a 'thug rush'.

But from my view you can't get your head under the other guys shoulder without it being in front of you when you shoot in.

From what I've seen I tend to agree. It was designed for wrestling where the competitors aren't worried about strikes.

[jubaji]

He says his left leg leads but his head is physically in front of his body.

The head, shoulders, lead leg, and arms should all be more or less in line as you move in to make penetration. A proper shot will happen when it has been set up such that you clear his arms as you penetrate. Again, you are not understanding what you are seeing.

[TTEscrima]

From what I've seen I tend to agree. It was designed for wrestling where the competitors aren't worried about strikes.

No doubt, and its fine for the ring, but less than the ideal solution for SD against someone not playing by the rules, or god forbid with a knife, but it's exactly the technique jubs claimed to have used in a street fight involving multiple opponents to take out a guy with a knife. Its especially enlightening how he rolls his eyes when it was pointed out it leads with the head, he should have stuck to flaming because as usual he clowns himself when he posts anything else. He should stick to name calling he'll sound less stupid.

[kingoftheforest]

Hi KOTF, yes I've found you very civil and good conversation too.
Actually I wasn't making a point I just posted the video without fear or favor, or without caring who's argument it backed up or didn't.


I've never accused you of that, as you know. Nor do i believe that. I think you've made good points about the double leg, anyway I've never seen one used in a street context. That said I'm no expert on grappling either, I just found it the easiest take down I was shown. I'm not saying it's a good idea in a street fight.
The only 'takedowns' I've seen in a street context were basically somewhere between a rugby tackle and for want of a better description a 'thug rush'.


From what I've seen I tend to agree. It was designed for wrestling where the competitors aren't worried about strikes.

When I was in grade school the single or double was my go to move as well. Later I was taught boxing and I used the jab followed by a cross or uppercut. I then took TKD and found the enjoyment of using a kick to gain the inside on my opponent.

Now I take a harder approach because fist fights aren't something I want to prolong.

I'll say that I haven't forgot the enjoyment of a great sporting tournament, and I can understand completely why some people do it well into adulthood. The feeling of winning and accomplishment is great and it gives you a definitive goal to strive for.

I've seen a double leg attempted a few times while bouncing and it never ended well, weather poorly executed or not it just didn't look like a good idea without prime conditions.


I just wanted to point out that the head does lead the charge.

I glad you aren't getting dragged into the the silliness and thanks for the vid and the input.

[kingoftheforest]

Again, you are not understanding what you are seeing.

I understand that the guy's head is in front the whole time it's clear on both vids.

Bye bye now.

[kingoftheforest]

The head, shoulders, lead leg, and arms should all be more or less in line as you move in to make penetration. .

The human skeletal structure is designed such that if these are all in line then your head is out in front.





Unless your ass is on your shoulders.

[kingoftheforest]

Also how exactly is your head in line with your shoulder?

That's anatomically impossible from a straight on movement since your shoulder is "next to" your head.

[kingoftheforest]

YouTube - Barry Davis Double-Leg Takedowns, Part 1

Also this 2 time olympic wrestler points out that you should keep your hands at your waist and shows how you can get flipped if you don't. 4:46-4:54 on the vid. So lead arm doesn't seem to fly, your shoulders are behind your head, so anatomically you lead with your head.


If you know what you're looking at jubaji.

Here's his achievements.


* Three time Iowa state high school champion in wrestling
* 1982 NCAA Division I Champion, 118 lb class
* Two-time NCAA Division I Champion, 126 lb class (1983, 1985)
* 1983 Pan American Games champion, freestyle, 125.4 lbs
* 1983 Member of U.S. World wrestling team
* Four-time NCAA Division I all-American
* 1984 Olympic silver medalist, 125.5 lbs
* 1985 Big Ten Athlete of the Year
* 1985 NCAA Championships Outstanding Wrestler
* 1986 World championship bronze medalist, 125.4 lbs
* 1987 World championship silver medalist, 125.4 lbs
* 1988 Member of U.S. Olympic freestyle wrestling team


I think he knows grappling.

[kingoftheforest]

No, you don't "lead with your head." You really know nothing about grappling, do you?

I know nothing. Try again.









Oh and by the way STFU If you don't even know anatomy or physics. Cause you obviously don't know grappling.