Sriking take down

[jubaji]

Oh and by the way STFU If you don't even know anatomy or physics. Cause you obviously don't know grappling.

Then I guess I won't STFU because I've been trying to explain these things to you over and over.



And please don't make me say again that you will NEVER know half of what I do about grappling if you live to see 100.

[jubaji]

Much like his CMA claims were all proven to be lies

Speaking of lies, that is one right there. I guess you STILL feel inferior for some reason. Too bad, you really don't need to.

[jubaji]

Wanna bet he scrambles and removes those claims as well?

"As well"? I have never removed any claims from this forum. Maybe you have been sniffing too many hair gel fumes.

[jubaji]

For what's it worth (and that might not be much) - I was always taught that you never "lead with your head" when shooting a double as well. To "lead with your head" as I understand it is to bend at the waist when shooting. You avoid doing that because it exposes you to guillotine chokes and makes it easier to sprawl against you. I was taught to shoot with your back straight. I think, but could be wrong, that that is what jubaji means when he says that you don't lead with your head.

I can't think of any situation where it would be smart to lean forward at the waist while shooting. But I didn't wrestle in high school, so I'm not an expert on it.

Well, you're ahead of most here and you are correct.

[jubaji]

He swings both his arms behind him before he charges in. there is no "aha" to it.

LOL, this is what I meant when I said you did not understand what you were seeing. His left hand cleared the opponent's right and then went to his head and his right arm moved in an arc to make the opponent reach and to then clear that arm as he moved under.

[jubaji]

As soon as you "bend at the waist" your head is physically in front of you. So as soon as you bend it is anatomically impossible not to lead with your head.If you shoot with your back straight you'd have to be in a sitting position which would seriously impede your forward movement.

Also unless your fighting a guy whose over 7 ft tall how do you get under his arm with your back straight.

You said you wrestled in high school. Did they teach you nothing?

[USArmyBJJ]

LOL, this is what I meant when I said you did not understand what you were seeing. His left hand cleared the opponent's right and then went to his head and his right arm moved in an arc to make the opponent reach and to then clear that arm as he moved under.

From looking at the clip, it looks to me like your interpretation of it is correct.

[USArmyBJJ]

If you shoot with your back straight you'd have to be in a sitting position which would seriously impede your forward movement.

Also unless your fighting a guy whose over 7 ft tall how do you get under his arm with your back straight.

You go to a kneeling position driving forward with your back leg.

[Tant01]

Thank you!

You go to a kneeling position driving forward with your back leg.

Evidently you solved some riddle here, eh?



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[USArmyBJJ]

Evidently you solved some riddle here, eh?



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I'm not really certain what you mean with this. I was responding to KOTF's statement that, to shoot with your back straight, you'd have to be in a sitting position and wouldn't have forward movement. So, I said, "You go to a kneeling position and drive with your back leg." Maybe I'm confused. What do you mean?

[Junka]

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Originally Posted by Junka View Post
It was designed for wrestling where the competitors aren't worried about strikes.
If you are shooting with your head leaning out in front of the rest of you, you will have a lot to worry about.

This is where I'm I'm getting confused. This was about the double leg at some point and then you posted a vid of a 'duck under'. Why was that relevant?

Do arms lead or does head lead in a double leg, proper technique?

[knifethrower]

"As well"? I have never removed any claims from this forum. Maybe you have been sniffing too many hair gel fumes.

Now now jubaji, those hair comments are becoming a little too revealing for all of us. I think you need to lay off these comments.

Yes...your gay...I'm not and don't want that kind of glimpse into your life. However, we accept you and the way you are and I for one love you (but not in a gay way so try to pull back on your ever so suppressed sexual excitement of people paying attention to you)

You like long hair, but king is happily married and doesn't need these little hints you keep trying to give him.

I'm sure you have enough sites to go to for that kind of outlet and I'm sure it will be well received

[TTEscrima]

This is where I'm I'm getting confused. This was about the double leg at some point and then you posted a vid of a 'duck under'. Why was that relevant?

It wasn't relevant, he either doesn't know the difference or he was trying to BS his way out of the embarrassing situation he got into by posting more than a rolleyes.

Do arms lead or does head lead in a double leg, proper technique?

Why ask him again he obviously has no idea. Watch the Olympic wrestler teaching it in the links provided, then watch them use it in matches and the UFC etc. Regardless of what jubs says happens the videos show a completely different reality from the theory he is trying to spout.

You will fight like you train, you've seen the training videos and how wrestlers "face off" with the tops of their heads nearly touching, and you've seen how the double leg is taught. The set up you add in won't change the trained habits or how the takedown functions on a skeletal level.

Since its clear that it's beyond his capability to explain the double leg takedowns usage, I'll take a shot at it.

First throw a strike to try and make the opponent cover up thus exposing his midsection, make sure the strike is a real even if your intent is the takedown.

You need to penetrate quickly or he'll block your approach, so do a quick level change by bending the knees and weaving your head under his armpit.

Get a firm grip on the backs of his knees (the hands behind the legs help prevent them from sprawling), but don't try to lift him off the ground, instead focus on moving him laterally instead of flipping him onto his back.

Once you have a firm hold take short choppy steps across your opponents stance to keep him off balance and unsure of where you're going.

Use your head to drive the upper body over the lower body thus steering him. Your head and upper body will follow your eyes. So look across the back of your opponent in the direction you want him to go: sideways and down.

Spike your forward shoulder directly into your opponents midsection as he crashes to the ground.

No matter how you cut it, the head is still exposed the moment you shift from strike to shoot meaning when you change levels and your hands seek the back of his knees, as in the strike ends and the Double leg begins.

[Junka]

Thanks TTE good breakdown of the double leg.

First throw a strike to try and make the opponent cover up thus exposing his midsection, make sure the strike is a real even if your intent is the takedown.

Yeah well for SD I'm working on my strikes again anyway and basically trying some new striking drills to see if I can get comfortable with empty hand strikes. I have to add here, I've struck with my fists for a long time now so it's an old habit. I'll be in the bush for a while soon it'll be makeshift equipment. Something like a makiwara or makeshift punching bag.

[TTEscrima]

Thanks TTE good breakdown of the double leg.

Glad someone could be of assistance, even if it was one of us CMA guys who don't know shit.

Yeah well for SD I'm working on my strikes again anyway and basically trying some new striking drills to see if I can get comfortable with empty hand strikes. I have to add here, I've struck with my fists for a long time now so it's an old habit. I'll be in the bush for a while soon it'll be makeshift equipment. Something like a makiwara or makeshift punching bag.

BY NO MEANS WAS I ADVOCATING USING A DOUBLE LEG FOR SD!!!!

I just figured someone ought to be able to explain its usage since it seemed beyond the ability of the people actually advocating it.

I mean how many pages are we into this and all we have gotten was pencil analogies, and different techniques he tried to pass off. No doubt he'll be in shortly to try and salvage some of his credibility if that's even a word you can use in conjunction with him. Who knows maybe my explanation will give him enough information to try to grasp the subject at hand and comment intelligently (or more likely give him an idea what to google so he can try to BS his way through until he can get back to his safety zone of insult slinging and one liners).