Sriking take down

[TTEscrima]

Oh and by the way STFU If you don't even know anatomy or physics. Cause you obviously don't know grappling.

Much like his CMA claims were all proven to be lies his wrestling titles look suspect as well. Wanna bet he scrambles and removes those claims as well? Said it before, I'll say it again: Wayback Machine.

[jubaji]

But from my view you can't get your head under the other guys shoulder without it being in front of you when you shoot in.

YouTube - Greg Jones Duck-Under

Do you see how one arm is cleared and he gets the other one reaching before he starts the duck under? Do you see how he keeps his shoulders and hips under him as he moves through the technique? If despite all that your big "ah ha!" is that for a split second his head is slightly ahead of his shoulders, well, then good luck to ya.

[jubaji]

I wrestled all the way up to high school and a little past. My younger brother wrestled and sometimes we still do for kicks.

My uncle was a wrestling coach for a local club, it was the first thing I learned.

And you were taught that a double was to be executed "leading with your head"? Did someone teach you that?

[jubaji]

Anyone else doubt Jubs has ever wrestled anything?

That's funny. What I doubt is that if you live to be 100 you will ever know half of what I do about wrestling, champ.

[jubaji]

So you don't deny then that you lead with the head?

I do deny it. If you "lead with the head" you are moving in off your center and your chances of successfully executing the shot are reduced. Does anyone shoot perfectly? Not many. Can less than perfect shots be effective? Sure, depending on circumstances and the opponent. Do things unfold in a less than textbook manner in the heat of uncooperative struggle? Usually. But to say that you "lead with the head" sounds as if that is what you are intending to do and that is not the case.

[jubaji]

It was designed for wrestling where the competitors aren't worried about strikes.

If you are shooting with your head leaning out in front of the rest of you, you will have a lot to worry about.

[jubaji]

it's exactly the technique jubs claimed to have used in a street fight involving multiple opponents to take out a guy with a knife.

Actually, it's not. Maybe you forgot. Maybe you are just lying again.

[USArmyBJJ]

For what's it worth (and that might not be much) - I was always taught that you never "lead with your head" when shooting a double as well. To "lead with your head" as I understand it is to bend at the waist when shooting. You avoid doing that because it exposes you to guillotine chokes and makes it easier to sprawl against you. I was taught to shoot with your back straight. I think, but could be wrong, that that is what jubaji means when he says that you don't lead with your head.

I can't think of any situation where it would be smart to lean forward at the waist while shooting. But I didn't wrestle in high school, so I'm not an expert on it.

[kingoftheforest]

YouTube - Greg Jones Duck-Under

Do you see how one arm is cleared and he gets the other one reaching before he starts the duck under? Do you see how he keeps his shoulders and hips under him as he moves through the technique? If despite all that your big "ah ha!" is that for a split second his head is slightly ahead of his shoulders, well, then good luck to ya.

He swings both his arms behind him before he charges in. there is no "aha" to it.

You're blinded by your own inability to see how wrong you are.

You can keep screaming that the head isn't the first part of the body to move in but it is.

Scream all you want anyone with eyes can see that in all three vids Including the one from an Olympic medalist who is instructing people, that the head leads.

If the expert says keep your arms at your waist (and you love quoting experts) then what else is leading, can't be your shoulder it's behind the head.

Keep spoting anatomical non sensibilities.

Or are you a bigger expert than a guy with a rpoom full of trophies and a laundry list of credentials .


Since your so fond of calling people out let's see how you stack up to Mr. Davis.

Even people who have proven their knowledge or grappling disagree with you. the vids do too and you guys love your youtube.


Deny all you want I'm not listening to your proven to be wrong nonsense.

Stick to heckling seems to be that's all you're an expert at.

[kingoftheforest]

For what's it worth (and that might not be much) - I was always taught that you never "lead with your head" when shooting a double as well. To "lead with your head" as I understand it is to bend at the waist when shooting. You avoid doing that because it exposes you to guillotine chokes and makes it easier to sprawl against you. I was taught to shoot with your back straight. I think, but could be wrong, that that is what jubaji means when he says that you don't lead with your head.



I can't think of any situation where it would be smart to lean forward at the waist while shooting. But I didn't wrestle in high school, so I'm not an expert on it.

As soon as you "bend at the waist" your head is physically in front of you. So as soon as you bend it is anatomically impossible not to lead with your head.If you shoot with your back straight you'd have to be in a sitting position which would seriously impede your forward movement.

Also unless your fighting a guy whose over 7 ft tall how do you get under his arm with your back straight.

[USArmyBJJ]

As soon as you "bend at the waist" your head is physically in front of you. So as soon as you bend it is anatomically impossible not to lead with your head.

That's exactly my point. I was taught that you are not supposed to bend at the waist. You keep your back straight when shooting.

[jubaji]

The human skeletal structure is designed such that if these are all in line then your head is out in front.

If you want to drop a plum line from the nose and say "ah ha!" if there's the slightest distance from the body, then congratulations for really, really getting the point.

[jubaji]

That's exactly my point. I was taught that you are not supposed to bend at the waist. You keep your back straight when shooting.

You are right, you are supposed to.

[jubaji]

Also how exactly is your head in line with your shoulders?

Oh, you don't understand? I thought not.

[jubaji]

Also this 2 time olympic wrestler points out that you should keep your hands at your waist

They don't have to be at your waist, but he's right that you should not be shooting with your arms stretched out in front of you. You should have just asked me and saved yourself all that googling.