Sriking take down

[kingoftheforest]

YouTube - Greg Jones Duck-Under

Do you see how one arm is cleared and he gets the other one reaching before he starts the duck under? Do you see how he keeps his shoulders and hips under him as he moves through the technique? If despite all that your big "ah ha!" is that for a split second his head is slightly ahead of his shoulders, well, then good luck to ya.

He swings both his arms behind him before he charges in. there is no "aha" to it.

You're blinded by your own inability to see how wrong you are.

You can keep screaming that the head isn't the first part of the body to move in but it is.

Scream all you want anyone with eyes can see that in all three vids Including the one from an Olympic medalist who is instructing people, that the head leads.

If the expert says keep your arms at your waist (and you love quoting experts) then what else is leading, can't be your shoulder it's behind the head.

Keep spoting anatomical non sensibilities.

Or are you a bigger expert than a guy with a rpoom full of trophies and a laundry list of credentials .


Since your so fond of calling people out let's see how you stack up to Mr. Davis.

Even people who have proven their knowledge or grappling disagree with you. the vids do too and you guys love your youtube.


Deny all you want I'm not listening to your proven to be wrong nonsense.

Stick to heckling seems to be that's all you're an expert at.

[USArmyBJJ]

For what's it worth (and that might not be much) - I was always taught that you never "lead with your head" when shooting a double as well. To "lead with your head" as I understand it is to bend at the waist when shooting. You avoid doing that because it exposes you to guillotine chokes and makes it easier to sprawl against you. I was taught to shoot with your back straight. I think, but could be wrong, that that is what jubaji means when he says that you don't lead with your head.

I can't think of any situation where it would be smart to lean forward at the waist while shooting. But I didn't wrestle in high school, so I'm not an expert on it.

[jubaji]

it's exactly the technique jubs claimed to have used in a street fight involving multiple opponents to take out a guy with a knife.

Actually, it's not. Maybe you forgot. Maybe you are just lying again.

[jubaji]

It was designed for wrestling where the competitors aren't worried about strikes.

If you are shooting with your head leaning out in front of the rest of you, you will have a lot to worry about.

[jubaji]

So you don't deny then that you lead with the head?

I do deny it. If you "lead with the head" you are moving in off your center and your chances of successfully executing the shot are reduced. Does anyone shoot perfectly? Not many. Can less than perfect shots be effective? Sure, depending on circumstances and the opponent. Do things unfold in a less than textbook manner in the heat of uncooperative struggle? Usually. But to say that you "lead with the head" sounds as if that is what you are intending to do and that is not the case.

[jubaji]

Anyone else doubt Jubs has ever wrestled anything?

That's funny. What I doubt is that if you live to be 100 you will ever know half of what I do about wrestling, champ.

[jubaji]

I wrestled all the way up to high school and a little past. My younger brother wrestled and sometimes we still do for kicks.

My uncle was a wrestling coach for a local club, it was the first thing I learned.

And you were taught that a double was to be executed "leading with your head"? Did someone teach you that?

[jubaji]

But from my view you can't get your head under the other guys shoulder without it being in front of you when you shoot in.

YouTube - Greg Jones Duck-Under

Do you see how one arm is cleared and he gets the other one reaching before he starts the duck under? Do you see how he keeps his shoulders and hips under him as he moves through the technique? If despite all that your big "ah ha!" is that for a split second his head is slightly ahead of his shoulders, well, then good luck to ya.

[TTEscrima]

Oh and by the way STFU If you don't even know anatomy or physics. Cause you obviously don't know grappling.

Much like his CMA claims were all proven to be lies his wrestling titles look suspect as well. Wanna bet he scrambles and removes those claims as well? Said it before, I'll say it again: Wayback Machine.

[kingoftheforest]

No, you don't "lead with your head." You really know nothing about grappling, do you?

I know nothing. Try again.









Oh and by the way STFU If you don't even know anatomy or physics. Cause you obviously don't know grappling.

[kingoftheforest]

YouTube - Barry Davis Double-Leg Takedowns, Part 1

Also this 2 time olympic wrestler points out that you should keep your hands at your waist and shows how you can get flipped if you don't. 4:46-4:54 on the vid. So lead arm doesn't seem to fly, your shoulders are behind your head, so anatomically you lead with your head.


If you know what you're looking at jubaji.

Here's his achievements.


* Three time Iowa state high school champion in wrestling
* 1982 NCAA Division I Champion, 118 lb class
* Two-time NCAA Division I Champion, 126 lb class (1983, 1985)
* 1983 Pan American Games champion, freestyle, 125.4 lbs
* 1983 Member of U.S. World wrestling team
* Four-time NCAA Division I all-American
* 1984 Olympic silver medalist, 125.5 lbs
* 1985 Big Ten Athlete of the Year
* 1985 NCAA Championships Outstanding Wrestler
* 1986 World championship bronze medalist, 125.4 lbs
* 1987 World championship silver medalist, 125.4 lbs
* 1988 Member of U.S. Olympic freestyle wrestling team


I think he knows grappling.

[kingoftheforest]

Also how exactly is your head in line with your shoulder?

That's anatomically impossible from a straight on movement since your shoulder is "next to" your head.

[kingoftheforest]

The head, shoulders, lead leg, and arms should all be more or less in line as you move in to make penetration. .

The human skeletal structure is designed such that if these are all in line then your head is out in front.





Unless your ass is on your shoulders.

[kingoftheforest]

Again, you are not understanding what you are seeing.

I understand that the guy's head is in front the whole time it's clear on both vids.

Bye bye now.

[kingoftheforest]

Hi KOTF, yes I've found you very civil and good conversation too.
Actually I wasn't making a point I just posted the video without fear or favor, or without caring who's argument it backed up or didn't.


I've never accused you of that, as you know. Nor do i believe that. I think you've made good points about the double leg, anyway I've never seen one used in a street context. That said I'm no expert on grappling either, I just found it the easiest take down I was shown. I'm not saying it's a good idea in a street fight.
The only 'takedowns' I've seen in a street context were basically somewhere between a rugby tackle and for want of a better description a 'thug rush'.


From what I've seen I tend to agree. It was designed for wrestling where the competitors aren't worried about strikes.

When I was in grade school the single or double was my go to move as well. Later I was taught boxing and I used the jab followed by a cross or uppercut. I then took TKD and found the enjoyment of using a kick to gain the inside on my opponent.

Now I take a harder approach because fist fights aren't something I want to prolong.

I'll say that I haven't forgot the enjoyment of a great sporting tournament, and I can understand completely why some people do it well into adulthood. The feeling of winning and accomplishment is great and it gives you a definitive goal to strive for.

I've seen a double leg attempted a few times while bouncing and it never ended well, weather poorly executed or not it just didn't look like a good idea without prime conditions.


I just wanted to point out that the head does lead the charge.

I glad you aren't getting dragged into the the silliness and thanks for the vid and the input.