Technique discussions, pictures and video etc.

[Uncle Skippy]

But you are treating it like the be all and end all. Good lord, even the BJJ guys don't say that about thier art.
In this day an age, a realistic approach is to seriously CROSS TRAIN.

He won't because he believes that **his** Kung Fu has answers for everything. Notice I said 'his' because that is important; he is not to be grouped in with Kung Fu practitioners at large.

He has admitted to getting his BJJ material from watching people train and from videos. He never once has said he stepped on the mat to train. That same goes for other grappling/wrestling arts.

With that in mind, how can he say that he has an effective RNC defense if he has never tried it on an experience practitioner?

I can watch rodeo clowns run around and hide in barrels, but does that mean when I jump in the arena I can avoid the bull? Nope. I'm getting a horn up my arse.

[kingoftheforest]

They are interspersed in a VERY VERY long thread on Bullshido with Bruce / TigerClaw showing his worst. I won't post a direct link out of respect for defend.net (don't want to divert traffic).

cool. Completely understand.

[Ben Grimm]

Show me how you would escape jujigatame. If your counter is valid, I'll say you are a legitimate teacher, even if I do disagree with your training methods and think you're crap. I won't say you are a good teacher, but I'll at least say you are a teacher. Does that sound fair?

[-FIGJAM-]

His escape seems similar to one that i have been taught and how i sort of escape a RNC from the ground. Ill try and give you a picture of how i escape, which has worked well for me in the past.

When they lock it on, first thing i do is roll so that their elbow is touching the matt.
Next i try and turn my neck and get my chin in the little gap that is always at the elbow. I say always because that is what i have been taught. Need to weasel your chin in their a bit and it basically stops you from chocking out but your head does get squeezed and that can hurt a bit.
After that i do what i can to get more room by sliding my head down further and further, using my hands to pull the arm down a bit and break the lock.
Basically your using the human bodies make up to get out of it and then probably me just being a bit panicy and trying to do whatever i can to get my head out of the lock.

I should also mention that there have been times where i have started to get a bit of tunnel vision with this lock escape. I am yet to be choked out, but then i havent had a MMA bout yet.

That is probably a bjj way of getting out, i dont know what grappling style i learn, i believe it is bjj. Have to disagree with TC, if they have the lock on properly, using all their strength i cant see how you have the strength to break their arms free. I will try your lock with my brother who trains with me.

Arent we all proud of where we come from? in some way we all show some arrogance that our training is far better then anyone elses. I believe that to be human. Is mine any better then TC's or Ben or Arieson? I dont know but i hope to god it is.
A fight only proves who was better on the day. 3 fights only proves who the better fighter is. What does the fight actually prove? doesnt prove who the better person is, who the more manly person is, better father, son, brother, etc... do you see where i am going with that?

So far i have seen one reasonable response to TC's technique, the rest have just continued their rant at arguing with him. Have you not learned he isnt going to change? give up and go suck mummies tit or rape ethiopian children whilst eating vaginal discharge. I would like to have a discussion on technique for my own information, dont want to read about you clowns and your "TC fight me" "you are a liar because i say so" FFS keep it on topic. Lets have a discussion otherwise this forum will eventually die, because people will loose interest and become tired about your homosexual rants about wanting to mount bruce.

[TigerClaw]

Look, people call Aikido useless. Aikido is my favorite martial art. it is not useless for forging spirit, or developing Ki, or disclipline.

But using it to defeat a boxer? Come on, man, get serious!

That's basically what you are saying. Kung Fu was designed to fight other kung fu fighters. In that context, it is not useless. And some of the techniques, when adapted and modified, are excellent.
But you are treating it like the be all and end all. Good lord, even the BJJ guys don't say that about thier art.
In this day an age, a realistic approach is to seriously CROSS TRAIN.

There are many styles and fighting techniques from Kung Fu that work great against a boxer. remember a boxer doesn't protest their lower gate, and they don't kick. Unless you are speaking of a kick boxer.

[-FIGJAM-]

didnt need a comment mate. was a example...

[Ben Grimm]

Shit man, what are you on today? I'm just asking for a valid counter to a technique. If it's valid then it's all good. We rag him because he doesn't seem to want to listen to constructive criticism. I cross train because I know that WC doesn't have all the answers. I box, and I've just taken up karate, and I train in Chinese wrestling on the weekend for 2-3 hours a day. It doesn't make me great, and nor am I bragging, but I'm just saying that being so close minded and arrogant is going to cause people to continue treating him like this.

[TigerClaw]

His escape seems similar to one that i have been taught and how i sort of escape a RNC from the ground. Ill try and give you a picture of how i escape, which has worked well for me in the past.

When they lock it on, first thing i do is roll so that their elbow is touching the matt.
Next i try and turn my neck and get my chin in the little gap that is always at the elbow. I say always because that is what i have been taught. Need to weasel your chin in their a bit and it basically stops you from chocking out but your head does get squeezed and that can hurt a bit.
After that i do what i can to get more room by sliding my head down further and further, using my hands to pull the arm down a bit and break the lock.
Basically your using the human bodies make up to get out of it and then probably me just being a bit panicy and trying to do whatever i can to get my head out of the lock.

I should also mention that there have been times where i have started to get a bit of tunnel vision with this lock escape. I am yet to be choked out, but then i havent had a MMA bout yet.

That is probably a bjj way of getting out, i dont know what grappling style i learn, i believe it is bjj. Have to disagree with TC, if they have the lock on properly, using all their strength i cant see how you have the strength to break their arms free. I will try your lock with my brother who trains with me.

Arent we all proud of where we come from? in some way we all show some arrogance that our training is far better then anyone elses. I believe that to be human. Is mine any better then TC's or Ben or Arieson? I dont know but i hope to god it is.
A fight only proves who was better on the day. 3 fights only proves who the better fighter is. What does the fight actually prove? doesnt prove who the better person is, who the more manly person is, better father, son, brother, etc... do you see where i am going with that?

So far i have seen one reasonable response to TC's technique, the rest have just continued their rant at arguing with him. Have you not learned he isnt going to change? give up and go suck mummies tit or rape ethiopian children whilst eating vaginal discharge. I would like to have a discussion on technique for my own information, dont want to read about you clowns and your "TC fight me" "you are a liar because i say so" FFS keep it on topic. Lets have a discussion otherwise this forum will eventually die, because people will loose interest and become tired about your homosexual rants about wanting to mount bruce.

Yes lets get on with a real discussion. I hope we can tackle some of the so called unescapable techniques of BJJ and other grappling moves. This technique i showed is only one of the many techniques that can be used for the RNC.

I hope we can discuss. But I know some of these mockers and they never stop. They even follow me in here.

[TigerClaw]

Shit man, what are you on today? I'm just asking for a valid counter to a technique. If it's valid then it's all good. We rag him because he doesn't seem to want to listen to constructive criticism. I cross train because I know that WC doesn't have all the answers. I box, and I've just taken up karate, and I train in Chinese wrestling on the weekend for 2-3 hours a day. It doesn't make me great, and nor am I bragging, but I'm just saying that being so close minded and arrogant is going to cause people to continue treating him like this.

You cross train because you don't find all the answers in Kung Fu for you. I don't practice just one style of Kung Fu, I have many, I also have learned from other styles and BJJ etc. But I find that Kung Fu has a lifetime of knowledge and investigation for many defenses and attacks etc.

But that doesn't mean that I can't or wont learn from al sources.

I am willing to learn from others pictures of escapes and techniques in here. That is what I am interested in.

[Ben Grimm]

Show me an escape from jujigatame. It is an armbar. It is used in BJJ, Judo, and JJJ, and in other grappling styles. So my question is valid and not mocking you.

[TigerClaw]

Show me how you would escape jujigatame. If your counter is valid, I'll say you are a legitimate teacher, even if I do disagree with your training methods and think you're crap. I won't say you are a good teacher, but I'll at least say you are a teacher. Does that sound fair?

Before I show an escape is this the exact technique you are talking about?

YouTube - Juji gatame - Arm bar - from the guard

Or this one?

YouTube - Judo - Jujigatame

[Ben Grimm]

I cross train because I want to be a complete martial artist. I want to be able to fight in all ranges.

[Ben Grimm]

That is the technique, now show me how you would escape.

[-FIGJAM-]

Ben, my apologies if you took it as a personal attack. I am just sick of shit responses that dont offer any actual information.

Yes i have seen your question and it is a valid question to ask, i would also like to know what else is out there to get out of a arm barr. But take into account, why would he respond when more then likely, half the people are going to say, your escape is wrong, a joke, ect.

TC, stop with the mocker crap. Ignore is a virtue, you dont respond to them, then hey, fingers crossed they will go back to ethipopia.

Also Ben respect for trying different arts. that takes dedication. My comment in regards to the superiority idea, is a common thing in everything in life and was aimed at everyone. Some people like a Mac computer other PC, some Ford cars some Holden(GM), Some USA some Canada, etc etc. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, you cant change some everyone's opinion to match your own.

[TigerClaw]

That is the technique, now show me how you would escape.

I will have to get pictures either Friday or late saturday, I am busy the next few days. But there is more than one escape from this position.