Traditional Kung FU

[tenzen]

wong leung sheung( my moms sifu) and emin bozetepe. both wing chun wong more traditional emin not traditional. there is no grappling or grabbing in wingchun all holds are presses there are no grippin tech whatsoever. they slow you down. and since the power of the system comes from the rapid strikes to pressure points this makes perfect sense.
i realize everyone has there own way and should make their art their own not a carbon copy but yip man never taught any grappling.

[clfsean]

true wing chun has no grappling in it whatsoever that goes against all the principles of wingchun. only a hybrid has grappling and then is no longer wing chun. i understand that they are worlds apart and they would go well together as muay thai and jujutsu are worlds apart and they work very well together. bottom line fighting is fighting and all that fancy shit goes out the window when it is time to get down.

Who said anything about grappling?? I said kum na, which is more than "grappling" & isn't wrestling. It's inherent in all TCMA.

Why don't you provide us a definition & example of "true wing chun" & "hybrid wing chun"?

[tenzen]

true wing chun has no grappling in it whatsoever that goes against all the principles of wingchun. only a hybrid has grappling and then is no longer wing chun. i understand that they are worlds apart and they would go well together as muay thai and jujutsu are worlds apart and they work very well together. bottom line fighting is fighting and all that fancy shit goes out the window when it is time to get down.

[clfsean]

i was refering to joint locks. true wing chun has no joint locks it is stricktly a striking system, there are no grabs only presses. so adding ying jow will help compliment the system to help start you on all ranges of fighting. yes they are all good by themselves but in real life you gotta be able to do it all. like forest said you never know what your gonna get. it is best to have tools to deal with it all.

Dude... there's not a solitary "striking" system found anywhere. Everything at some point grabs, controls, moves, throws, locks, etc...

Wing Chun has plenty of kum na sitting in broad view. I see it & I don't even play it. Ying Jow is a detriment to Wing Chun & vice versa. You can't just put two things together & expect them to work when they are light years apart in almost every aspect except one... hitting.

"All the tools" to deal with anything is thoroughly understanding what it is you do & then testing it to make sure you do understand it. If you don't then you get tooled & should go back & re-examine what it is you do. If you do then you move along confident in your abilities. You don't play other peoples game, you make them play yours. Then you understand what it is your trying to do. Otherwise, you're fodder.

[tenzen]

i was refering to joint locks. true wing chun has no joint locks it is stricktly a striking system, there are no grabs only presses. so adding ying jow will help compliment the system to help start you on all ranges of fighting. yes they are all good by themselves but in real life you gotta be able to do it all. like forest said you never know what your gonna get. it is best to have tools to deal with it all.

[clfsean]

what i was getting at is that wing chun is a striking system with no locks, adding the chin na from eagle claw would be good to start on the path to becoming a rounded fighter. sorry i was un clear on this.

Actually Wing Chun has tons of kum na in it. There's no reason to round it off if you have a good teacher at your disposal.

In addition to the fact that Ying Jow & Wing Chun are at the opposite end of the spectrum for their outlook on application & use of MA, it's not really a viable mix.

Try again...

[Ben Grimm]

Yeah, I just read it. You'd be surprised at some of the crap that people come up with. So Bruce is still on that forum I see. It seems that one can LARP until the cows come home and you still won't get kicked off that forum.

[Ben Grimm]

Wing Chun has locks. I've studied the art for 6 years now and I've been struck, trapped and locked plenty of times and vice-versa.

[Tant01]

what i was getting at is that wing chun is a striking system with no locks, ......

Is that so....?

[tenzen]

what i was getting at is that wing chun is a striking system with no locks, adding the chin na from eagle claw would be good to start on the path to becoming a rounded fighter. sorry i was un clear on this.

[clfsean]

I was commenting on your statements. Opinions carry no weight when somebody is talking "most effective". Also, why would you say that WC combined with Ying Jow would be a good foundation??? Proper training in either would be sufficient for a life time of dedicated study. I study & teach TCMA. I'm all about tradition & "classical" style. Your opinion & the way you voiced it is what I question.

I've studied taiji quan on & off for 10 years or so. It is first & foremost a martial art. It's a tree hugging exercise to become one with the universe thingy last. You have to remember it was systemized by a fighting family & they taught it strictly as that. I've been there, seen it & touched it in Chen-jia guo.

[tenzen]

or were you refering to my opinion about wing chun being the most effective classical style? first that is my opinion and that needs no proof

[tenzen]

my proof of what? classical styles being effective? any martial art even tai chi can be used effectively. even simple everyday movements not related to fighting can be used for fighting.

[clfsean]

alot of the kung fu styles are effective and classical, imo wing chun is most effective for realworld, blend that with eagle claw and you have a great foundation to build on. what is taught around you. that should be your first thing to look into.

Your proof?

[tenzen]

alot of the kung fu styles are effective and classical, imo wing chun is most effective for realworld, blend that with eagle claw and you have a great foundation to build on. what is taught around you. that should be your first thing to look into.