Traditional Kung FU

[kingoftheforest]

Tam's 64 kicking methods.

[tenzen]

a chain kick would also lack power and put you too off balance for my comfort. i think that would best be reserved for the tkd guys. or the mok gar practicioners as they are excellent kickers.

[kingoftheforest]

Many people believe that a step can be a kick, and a punch can be a throw. By following that logic,

- WC chain punches can also be chain kicks.
- Boxer's hook punch can also be inside crescent kick.

It's just too abstract for my taste.

That's a little far fetched. You're trying to give attributes from one weapon to another that don't work.

You can't use a grenade launcher as a sniper rifle.

Judo proves that you can seize and control other peoples legs with your legs. It proves you can use your legs to throw people.

TCMA's don't try to give the feet the hands attributes and vise versa, that seems to be a personal misconception of your own devise.

[csc]

I fail to recognize where it was stated that CMA's are a complete style style and better than anything else?

Many people believe that a step can be a kick, and a punch can be a throw. By following that logic,

- WC chain punches can also be chain kicks.
- Boxer's hook punch can also be inside crescent kick.

It's just too abstract for my taste.

[jubaji]

Try not being a constant douche.

You want to keep that distinction all to yourself? Ok.

[kingoftheforest]

Who is that great martial artists who once said "I guess knowing how to use a hammer real well is better than being a putz with all the expensive equipment."?

???

Your like a bad penny.

Try not being a constant douche.

[kingoftheforest]

It's not realistic to expect a

- boxer to execute effective hip throw,
- wrestler to execute effective round house kick, or
- CMA guy to execute effective ground fight.

There is nothing wrong to admit that there exist no "complete" style on this planet. This is the beauty of the "cross trainning - mine is mine and yours is also mine".

I agree cross training is a good idea.

I fail to recognize where it was stated that CMA's are a complete style style and better than anything else?

[csc]

It's not realistic to expect a

- boxer to execute effective hip throw,
- wrestler to execute effective round house kick, or
- CMA guy to execute effective ground fight.

There is nothing wrong to admit that there exist no "complete" style on this planet. This is the beauty of the "cross trainning - mine is mine and yours is also mine".

[jubaji]

If your CMA style doesn't incorporate all these things it's not being taught properly.

Who is that great martial artists who once said "I guess knowing how to use a hammer real well is better than being a putz with all the expensive equipment."?

???

[kingoftheforest]

If your CMA style doesnot have enough building block, you can always cross train other CMA styles and fill in those missing elements.

If your CMA style doesn't incorporate all these things it's not being taught properly, since traditional CMA's were taught that each move can be a strike a lock or a throw if properly executed.

[csc]

and as far as the sanda i was refering to it not being a traditional chinese art,

Sanda is an art that integrate kick, punch, lock, and throw. If your CMA system has all those building block, you can teach a Sanda team and that will be 100% CMA. If your CMA style doesnot have enough building block, you can always cross train other CMA styles and fill in those missing elements.

Let's examine all the major building block used in Sanda:

- jab, hook, upper cut (exist in LF and PM).
- front kick, side kick, round house kick (exist in LF).
- head lock, shoulder lock, elbow lock (exist in SC and eagle craw),
- single/double legs, leg hook, hip throw, under hook, over hook, ... (exist in SC).
- knee strike (exist in SC).
- elbow strike (exist in LF).

So why people keep saying that Sanda or Sanshou is not CMA? Do you truly have to train boxing, MT, TKD, wrestling, Judo in order to be effective in Sanda? Can you cross train Taiji, XingYi, Bagua, LF, PM, Baiji, WC. SC, ... and be a effective Sanda coach?

[tenzen]

never said the ninjutsu i practice is well known. in my opinion the best cma out is wing chun. there is comparison to kum na but is no actual techniques classified as kum na. did not say you have to mix them to be a well rounded fighter only it would be a good idea if you wanted to stick strictly to chinese martial arts. and as far as the sanda i was refering to it not being a traditional chinese art, as in they had to pick it up cuz they could not defeat the thais. i was just offering my opinion to the thread starter, perhaps i should make myself clearer next time. sorry for the misunderstanding and all i was just trying to be helpful. and so what is it u practice?

[clfsean]

You say in other threads you practice 6 or 7 known forms of ninjutsu....
You say in this thread Wing Chun is the best CMA out...
You say there's nothing in Wing Chun that compares to kum na...
You say to be well rounded you have to combine the best (WC) with Ying Jow...
You say Sanda can't be used as comparison since it's a lame rip off of Muay Thai...

Exactly... what do you say??

For the record I don't practice sanda... sanda is a part of what I do. Look at the screen name & you can figure it out.

[tenzen]

you didn't i did. i was originally replying to the thread starter on what we think is the most effective and traditional. so my opinion does hold weight here. and as for facts there is no supreme style its what you do with what you got. i was just stating that if one wanted to be well rounded in the chinese arts and effective, you should try blending wc with ying jow thats all. the original starter probably don't even read this thread anymore since the question he asked has gone out the window and we are debating wing chun. and yes it is the most effective chinese system. and don't try to pull sanda out of your ass cuz it is a lame rip off of muay thai.

[clfsean]

Where did I say "grappling"? Seriously... show me where I said grappling.