Ngo Cho Kun

[yohanesw]

complete step of di sip kun

i practices ngo cho kun in indonesia, and i need to know the complete steps of di sip kun? anyone knows? TIA

yohanes w.

[Nothingness]

What city are you in? Not to be rude, but isn't that easier to ask your teacher or watching others doing it? It is a basic form and commonly practiced.

[konghan]

i practices ngo cho kun in indonesia, and i need to know the complete steps of di sip kun? anyone knows? TIA

yohanes w.

Nothingness is right, it would be easier for your sifu to teach you di sip kun directly then to get it here from the net. beside, I don't know how to properly elaborate it here without visually showing you how it is done properly.

But to give you an insight of what di sip kun is, it is block-punch-punch-punch. It moves in 4 corners. Front, back, left side & right side. The blocking is to inflict as much pain on your attackers attacking arm then quickly follow up with three consecutive punches, punches usually is aim at the sternum or heart area punch-penetrating & "burying it into your opponents' heart".

The stance is strongly planted into the ground, the power of the strike comes from the legs, hip & transmitted to your shoulder & arm in coordination with breathing for that added internal strength that will inflict internal injury on your opponent.

[konghan]

Sam chien group performance, from Quanzhou, Fujian China

[millie]

pebbles by the seaside

waves cast a shadow on the strand

[Nazman]

Yep,

The dummy's not mine though and I'm still picking out my pebbles - one day I'll have enough then I have to find a box.

Cheers

[konghan]

The knife hand used to be a very important part of ngo cho kun. The knife hand is use to attack soft spots as well as thrusting into soft opennings like armpit, kneck, colar bone, rib cage, kidneys & eyes.

For me, the knife hand is the most difficult to train & the most deadly once mastered.

Knife thrust into the belly button or kidney soft area.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Chee Kiong yeah i heard of that school too. Here is a proper way to use the hammer fist.

Is That realy a HAMMER-fist? Most other arts call that a back-fist

[HuSanYan]

I found the following info for the thread

NGO CHO KUN - 5 ancestor fist

Is a southern shaolin kungfu style developed by a mixed of five style, they are.
Lohan kun,Thai co kun, Kao kun, Pei ho and Tachun

-Using the hidden Lohan technique, we will be able to use the Chi of the Sia(lower)-Tan-Tien by jerking-trembling stomach and hips using special twisting-footwork movement.This is called the "Falat" power. What Bruce lee-one-inch-punch has ever shown was a perfect example of this methods. But the real one-inch-punch will drop the opponent right on the spot with an internal bleeding.
-Using the hidden White Crane(PeiHo) methods, one could understand the secret of whipping of power as the only way to transfer the power which have been generated using the Lohan Methods from the tan tien to the hips, hips to the shoulder, shoulder to the elbow and forearms and finally reach the wrist joint and to be exploded in the knuckle.In simple words, it is called the "joint-lock" power.
- Using the Tai zu (thay co) methods, one can move by sliding the foot really fast to deliver the explosive punch/kick without losing its forces.There are also a technique called the Zig-Zag footwork which should be used against attack from the Indoor gate.
- Using the Kao kun principle, it gives the praticioner an agility in handling any attacks.
- Using The TatChun Methods which originally came from Bodidharma(TaMo) and was called Si Sue Ching(Marrow Bone Washing Excercise), one would be able to maximize/amplify the force which has been generated using lohan method and transfered using the white crane, by using some secret method of breathing exercise through the tension of 5 part of the body.

In a simple phrase, when you hit the opponent, if you dont have have the power to drop the opponent right on the spot, then you are in trouble.

Studying Ngo Cho Kun is a way to overcome such body limitation (size,muscle,speed,etc).

Yes !!, a small skinny person can knock a big huge opponent right on the spot by one or two Ngo Cho Kun punch.
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Whilst the above does seem very interesting, my bet would be on a Boxer anyday, in fact I am sure that if any Ngo Cho Kun practitioner would like to pop down to my boxing gym to demonstrate the one inch punch, there would be plenty of takers

[yentao]

NGO CHO KUN - 5 ancestor fist

Is a southern shaolin kungfu style developed by a mixed of five style, they are.
Lohan kun,Thai co kun, Kao kun, Pei ho and Tachun

-Using the hidden Lohan technique, we will be able to use the Chi of the Sia(lower)-Tan-Tien by jerking-trembling stomach and hips using special twisting-footwork movement.This is called the "Falat" power. What Bruce lee-one-inch-punch has ever shown was a perfect example of this methods. But the real one-inch-punch will drop the opponent right on the spot with an internal bleeding.
-Using the hidden White Crane(PeiHo) methods, one could understand the secret of whipping of power as the only way to transfer the power which have been generated using the Lohan Methods from the tan tien to the hips, hips to the shoulder, shoulder to the elbow and forearms and finally reach the wrist joint and to be exploded in the knuckle.In simple words, it is called the "joint-lock" power.
- Using the Tai zu (thay co) methods, one can move by sliding the foot really fast to deliver the explosive punch/kick without losing its forces.There are also a technique called the Zig-Zag footwork which should be used against attack from the Indoor gate.
- Using the Kao kun principle, it gives the praticioner an agility in handling any attacks.
- Using The TatChun Methods which originally came from Bodidharma(TaMo) and was called Si Sue Ching(Marrow Bone Washing Excercise), one would be able to maximize/amplify the force which has been generated using lohan method and transfered using the white crane, by using some secret method of breathing exercise through the tension of 5 part of the body.

In a simple phrase, when you hit the opponent, if you dont have have the power to drop the opponent right on the spot, then you are in trouble.

Studying Ngo Cho Kun is a way to overcome such body limitation (size,muscle,speed,etc).

Yes !!, a small skinny person can knock a big huge opponent right on the spot by one or two Ngo Cho Kun punch.
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Whilst the above does seem very interesting, my bet would be on a Boxer anyday, in fact I am sure that if any Ngo Cho Kun practitioner would like to pop down to my boxing gym to demonstrate the one inch punch, there would be plenty of takers

Fill free so. A good NCk body can absorbed strong punches equivalent to pucnhing power of a boxer. I don't completely agree on the info stated above. A skinny guy can be defeated easily unless he got pain tolerance. There is an odd chance to see a nck guy with a skinny body most of the people who trains nck have firm strong body. I think the battle between a boxer and an nck guy will depend how experienced both guys were because I really can't genrealized because I fought boxers and muaythai guys myself and so far i won because of diagonal movements and my pain tolerance.

[Torsion]

i have a box of pebbles in which i practice circler hand patterns to streghten and condition my hands and wrists i use a warm smelly lotion to prevent me doing harm.
i also have a iron dummy for limb condition legs and arms
and a template of a person in wood with the preasure points mark i use in white crane training in the dark for stricking dim mak points
samchiens fire strick to the eyes is what i am working on at the moment.
a lady in a green dress told me to refine my technicque so i hit the points in a natural way.
another emperor is hiding the soft
the secret knife tech in sam chien is also interesting
does any one train life this in there style of ngo cho

In our lineage (Chee Kim Thong) has similar training methods.
I have a box of stones at home, as far as I'm aware this isn't part of the Ngor Chor system, but in fact part of the Wu Xing Palm (5 Element) system. The stones not only strenghten, condition the hands, but also increases heavyness and sensitivity.
"Warm smelly lotion" = Do you mean Dit dar jow? This is what we apply after use of the stones.
There are also sand bag palming exercises which follow after playing the stones.

[HuSanYan]

Concepts & Principles of NCK

CONCEPT
Ngo Cho Kun is focused three components: breath (chi), form (sze), and strength (li) .If these components are properly cultivated, one's kung-fu skills will be developed naturally. One of the main purposes of Ngo Cho Kun is to be able to generate dynamic explosive force toward the opponent without involving neither speed nor muscle strength. Inside the Ngo Cho Kun training, it all starts and ends with the Sam Chien Form. The only way to develop that explosive power is through the understanding of Sam Chien by practicing it over and over. Now, pay attention to uncle HuSanYan, guys....

SAM CHIEN FORM
Sam Chien simply means three wars.
In general, the target purpose of the sam chien is to develop Ngo Ki Lat(5 powers).
SOME NGOCHOKUN PROVERBS/MAXIMS
The clenched fist must be half yin and half yang (i.e., held diagonally) . The feet should hold the practitioner firmly to the ground. Just as the foundation of a tree comes from its roots, the source of strength emanates from the soles of the feet. The ears should be sharp to detect even the slightest blowing of the wind. The eyes should be aware of the four directions of the human gate: Ieft and right, back and front.The head should be held upright) the chin sunk low, the mouth slightly open while retracting the lips to tense the facial and neck muscles, thus :
simulating the form of a crying rooster (HuSanYans' Crying Rooster technique regularly beats the BJJ guys btw ).
To complete the fierce look, the eyes are held wide open Iike the eyes of a big fish, the tongue is curled to touch the upper palate, the muscles at the sides of the lips are tensely pulled back, and the nostrils are expanded. Each inhalation and exhalation of breath should produce the quiet sound of a tiger's growl. With a single look, the practitioner, in such a state of facial contortion, looks like a beast ready to devour its prey. The frontal three parts of the body include the chest (expanded), the hips (tucked in for proper alignment of the spine and easy passage of chi), and the testicles (tucked in, with concentration focused on the tan tien). The practitioner is then ready to engage his opponent in the center-arm, on-guard position (chi-ngo tiong ), the classical fighting stance of ngo cho kun. The power source of the hands is divided into three parts: the shoulders, elbows, and wrist. The first power source is derived from the shoulders, which should droop, sinking the chest inward. You should feel the weight going down to the buttocks. The second and third power source are derived from the elbows and wrists respectively, the key words being tun (swallow) and toh (spit out). The elbows are held at the sides of the torso (i.e., swallow), while the forearm, wrist, and hand are held in such a way as to mimic the slope of a dust pan (i.e., spit out). When the hands are thrust forward or backward, with the shoulders drooped and the fore-arms tucked to the sides, the hands will vibrate as a result of muscle tension. Chinese kung-fu masters liken this force to a "dragon playing in the water." Exhale when you thrust your hands forward, inhale when you
retract your hands to your sides. The continued inhalation and exhalation uses chi to produce power and strength. The third power source is derived from the upper torso, by twisting and shaking the shoulders and
trembling the stomach. Before thrusting the hands out, pull them in to gain momentum so that when you thrust, there will be a vibrating sound from your strength. This vibrating sound is intrinsic energy (nei-ching) .

Internally, you are hard as steel, but externally you are soft as cotton thus maintaining an equilibrium of hard and soft, yin and yang. The body, though hard and flexible, is like a wheel when turning. The stomach is as hard as a steel wall. When assuming a proper stance, the legs should be firmly anchored to the ground to achieve and maintain stability, while allowing fast and agile footwork. The stance's power source is comprised of three segments: the
upper legs or thighs, the lower legs or shins, and the feet. When focusing training on these three parts, you should will your mind to circulate the chi by way of inhalation and exhalation, with it passing from one leg to another as if in a continuous cycle. In the three segments of the legs, the thighs are tucked in, the ankles are exposed outwardly, and the toes are curled up to tense the calf muscles, with the soles of the feet glued to the ground. With the proper form, every step will automatically be firm, Iike roots in the ground.

This forms a solid stance, thus making the ngo cho kun practitioner as immovable as an iron bar. Diligent practice will enable one to move with ease and coordination while maintaining stability and power.Those who learn and practise the art know that "practice makes perfect". The body has 36 bone points and 72 bone sockets which play an important part in the use of strength and breathing. Each has its special role and must not be confused.

Talking about the five extremities; the top of the head should be level and upright, the torso should be perpendicular, the teeth should be held open like the cockerel crowing, the voice should roar like a tiger's, the mouth should be open like that of the God of Learning Kui Sing, eyes bright like the fish's eyes, the tongue should be held to the roof of the mouth, nose like the lion's, ear should be sensitive to the whisper of the wind, and eyes look in all directions. The arm has 3 joints for the use of strength: the wrist, the elbow and the shoulder. The hand moves at the wrist like the dragon playing with water and the tiger washing its claws, the shoulder should slope down and the elbows held close to the body. Inside the body should be tense like iron, but the outside should relax and be soft like wool. The body should move freely like a wheel and the abdomen should be like a steel wall. In front lift the bladder and the hypogastrium (easy, anyone can do this ), and hold out the chest. Behind, the buttocks should sink, the waist muscle should be strained and the coccyx should point straight down. Stability is thus established and mobility is achieved.
The leg has also 3 joints for the execution of strength: the ankle, the knee and the hip. The front muscles are tensed upwards, and the rear muscles are tensed down, the hip joint should be held in and the knee should be kept open. With the five fingers held together and the centre of the palm tensed inwards, the posture will be in equilibrium and every step will produce a root in the ground. Such a position is like a steel wall and movements will follow what is desired by the mind.
In actual frontal combat, there is the left and the right. Frontal attack must be broken from the side, and attack from the side must be broken from the front. If a "bridge" has been established, cross the "bridge". If there is no bridge try and establish one. When a man is lured across the bridge, destroy the "bridge". If, you know yourself, you win, otherwise you lose.
Every step has an answer. lf you are prepared to give way, do not raise your hand. lf you raise your hand, do not give way. In an emergency, do not treat the situation like child's play. Movements should be like lightning and strength should be executed like a chopper cutting vegetables. To be strong and brave is not as good as soft and yielding. To show your prowess is not as good as benevolence and politeness. Only is the teaching of ancient sages which should be followed by all.
Grand Sifu HuSanYan - Sept 2004

[konghan]

Is That realy a HAMMER-fist? Most other arts call that a back-fist

Back fist is a little different, this one is call "pien" or hammer fist.

[millie]

i think yere missing the point

every area is a target if you hit it hard enougfh

[millie]

silly millie

i am so soorry