Ngo Cho Kun

[joedoe]

Actually it is the written work of Alexander Co " Five Ancestors Fist Kung Fu, The Way of Ngo Cho Kun".

Unlike other martial arts NCK has never claim credit for its contribution in enriching other martial arts in Japan & other South East Asian arts. NCK has always stay behind the scene & quitely continue to exist & help improve kok sut in its orignal essence.

I like to thank Alexander Co for publishing Ngo Cho Kun & making people aware of this unique martial art style that has been in existance for more than 500 years.

I have found Alexander Co's book very interesting too. It is good to be able to see the similarities and differences between lineages. I must ask you though, according to Alexander Co's book, the history of NCK only stretches back to the 1800's, making it only about 150 years old. How do you reconcile this with the history as given by the Chee Kim Thong history of 600 years?

Please, don't get me wrong. I am not trying to start a fight over history or lineage. I have always been curious about this difference and would like to hear some theories on why there is this difference.

One theory I have heard is that there is a 'new' and 'old' NCK, with the history of the 'new' NCK as told by Alexander Co.

Any other thoughts?

[konghan]

I have found Alexander Co's book very interesting too. It is good to be able to see the similarities and differences between lineages. I must ask you though, according to Alexander Co's book, the history of NCK only stretches back to the 1800's, making it only about 150 years old. How do you reconcile this with the history as given by the Chee Kim Thong history of 600 years?

Please, don't get me wrong. I am not trying to start a fight over history or lineage. I have always been curious about this difference and would like to hear some theories on why there is this difference.

One theory I have heard is that there is a 'new' and 'old' NCK, with the history of the 'new' NCK as told by Alexander Co.

Any other thoughts?

Master Chua Giok Beng is the roots of Philippines NCK under Tan Ka Hong & Lo Yan Chiu. While the leanage of master Chee Kim Thong seem to be from an earlier NCK aside from that there is also the leanage of master Lo Ban Teng which is also about 600+ years old. The bottom line is they are all from one source & that is Southern Shaolin Fujian kung fu which contain the elements of the white crane, tai cho, monkey fist, lohan & ta mo martial techniques.

[konghan]

I have found Alexander Co's book very interesting too. It is good to be able to see the similarities and differences between lineages. I must ask you though, according to Alexander Co's book, the history of NCK only stretches back to the 1800's, making it only about 150 years old. How do you reconcile this with the history as given by the Chee Kim Thong history of 600 years?

Please, don't get me wrong. I am not trying to start a fight over history or lineage. I have always been curious about this difference and would like to hear some theories on why there is this difference.

One theory I have heard is that there is a 'new' and 'old' NCK, with the history of the 'new' NCK as told by Alexander Co.

Any other thoughts?

Master Chua Giok Beng is the roots of Philippines NCK under Tan Ka Hong & Lo Yan Chiu. While the leanage of master Chee Kim Thong seem to be from an earlier NCK aside from that there is also the leanage of master Lo Ban Teng which is align with Chua Giok Beng as well. The bottom line is they are all from one source & that is Southern Shaolin Fujian kung fu which contain the elements of the white crane, tai cho, monkey fist, lohan & ta mo martial techniques.

Check out this site: http://www.hokkian-siauwlim.com/bunbu.html

[konghan]

SIAUW LIM NGO CHO KUN ( WU ZU QUAN )

( Other notations for WU ZU = NGO TJO / NGO CO / NGO CHOR )

From the deliverances, my master (SIN SHE LO SIAUW GOK) has passed down to me, follows:
the monks which could escape from the SHAO LIN holocaust, were:

1. QING CHAO HE SHANG (CAI SHANG DE), master of TAI TJO ( TAI ZU QUAN ), (grand ancestor boxing), developed from the 1. Emperor of Sung Dynasty (ZHAO KUANG YIN) and named after him
2. QING FANG HE SHANG (FANG DA HONG), master of PE HO ( BAI HE QUAN ), (FU JIAN white crane),
3. QING SHE HE SHANG (MA CHAO XING), master of TA SENG ( DA SHENG QUAN ), ((KAO KUN) monkey boxing)
4. QING SHE HE SHANG (HU DE DI), master of LO HAN ( LO HAN QUAN ), (monk's boxing),
5. QING SHENG HE SHANG (LI SHE KAI), master of TA TJUN ( DA ZUN QUAN ) (TA MO´s iron body)

and formed the base of the HO YANG school, where TJOA GIOK BENG raised as best pupil.

TJOA GIOK BENG ( CUA GIOK BENG alias YI HO ), was born in the city of TJOAN TJIU in the province HOK KIAN (in the harvest year), at the end of Qing-Dynasty. He has unified the complete north and south techniques into one. He developed (at the end of the 19. century) from the techniques TAI TJO, PE HO, TA SENG, LO HAN and TA TJUN the fighting art of the five ancestors (NGO TJO KUN). By combining the foot of the TAI TJO - system, the fingers of the PE HO, the palm of the TA SENG, the foot movement of the LO HAN and the body movements of the TA TJUN - system, he created the system of NGO TJO KUN. To spread the new system, he opened a school with the name LIN KIE TONG. The entrance was framed with signs with the labels on the left: mastering the 8 methods, there isn't any opponent. Right: mastering the Lotus blossom kick, you are the number one. Above: real South boxing. His pupils were distributed all over HOK KIAN.

His best pupils who got into history as the ten tigers were:

LIEM KIOE DJIE alias KIE CIU TA SU PEH from TJOAN TJIU was specialist in YO SIN TJIN KA and SAM TJUN TJI LUE HUAT, he was the first student of TJOA GIOK BENG,
he instructed his son
LIEM TJIAN U, who passed the techniques on to his son-in-law
TJIU TJI KIONG and to a pupil, named
ONG TJIAO LAI.

GOEI IN LAM alias HOAN TIAN PA from TJOAN TJIU owned the drugstore HOK LIN TONG OH GIOK.

ONG TJIAN PWEE alias ONG TIAO KIAN resp. TIAUW GAN.

YOE TJOEN GAN alias TJIOK SAM alias HOA SAY, from TJOAN TJIU, served TJOA GIOK BENG as bodyguard, he mastered literature and the military fighting art, he wrote the book TIONG HWA LIO SUT TA TJUAN, he died in 1912.

TAN KIONG BENG alias KIM YIK TA PING, from TJOAN TJIU, mastered the technique TIE SA TJIONG. In 1918 he crossed over to the Philippines, were he founded the school named TIONG HWA BENG KIAM KOK SUT SIA.
He instructed his son
TAN KA HONG and three other students, named
LIM TIAN SUE,
TAN TJIONG HAN and
TJIONG WUN CHAI.

HO HAI.

TAN KWI.

TIK SU.

KO CHAI WUN.

SIM YONG TIK from LAM AN, was instructed by TJOA GIOK BENG behind closed doors. He then moved to Singapore, where he founded the SING TJIU GIOK BENG KOK SUT GIAN KIU SIA.
He instructed his daughter
SIM TJI KO and other students
LIM BIE TJIOK,
LIM KE TJIONG,
LIM KE KOK,
LIM HAI LIONG.

In addition to the ten tigers, the names of seven more pupils have been handed down to me:

YONG CHIAT GIOK.

SONG SU.

HONG KUN SU.

KANG TJU LIM crossed over to Japan.

TJIONG WUN TJIONG.

LO GIAN CIU alias HO BO CIU from TJOAN TJIU, crossed over to the Philippines and founded the school named KONG HAN KOK SUT SIA in Manila.
He instructed his two sons
LO KENG HWE, which took over the school KONG HAN KOK SUT SIA,
LO KENG TJIOK owned the schools HIN HAN KOK SUT SIA and KOK KONG, KOK TAI, KONG BU TENG BU KOAN.

PIAO KE SIAN SU was abbot at TJIONG HOK SIE temple of TJOAN TJIU, he mastered the technique of the iron palm (TIE SA TJIONG).
GUAN TEN SU was his student.



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LO BAN TENG was born 1886 in TJIO BEE he died in 1958 after a heavy disease. He was instructed by four of the ten tigers, which were:
LIEM KIOE DJIE alias KIE CIU TA SU PEH,
GOEI IN LAM alias HOAN TJIAN PA,
ONG TJIAN PWEE alias ONG TIAUW GAN,
YOE TJOEN GAN alias YOE TJOEN HWA.

LO BAN TENG instructed:
LIM SUE KANG ( son of his sister),
LO BUEN LIO (son of his brother),
LO LEE HWA (his daughter),
LO SIAUW GOK (his son),
LO SIAUW TJOEN (his son),
LO SIAUW KIU (his son),
ONG KENG LIONG (his student),
TAN HWE LIONG (his student),
YONG BIEN WAN (his student),
TJING BIE SIAN (his student),
LIE KIM BIE (his student),
TAN CHUN SIONG (his student).

LO SIAUW GOK was born in 1930 and he was authorized to teach in 1955.
He instructed:
LO HAK SUAN (his daughter) from Jakarta Indonesia,
LO HAK SENG (his son) from Jakarta Indonesia,
LO HAK LUN (his son) from Jakarta Indonesia,
TAN KIM SENG (his son-in-law) from Jakarta Indonesia,
LO A HIM (his last student) from Berlin Germany.
27 pupils more are namely and some of them even personally known by me.

[Nothingness]

Does anyone know a woman NCK master from Xiamen (Amoy) living around 1920-1930?

My SuKong had 3 teachers, two of them are listed here (Although, I know them by different spelling). However, my SuHu (teacher), his son, forgot the name of the other one; the female teacher. This female teacher was his first teacher before he immigrated to Singapore, then to Indonesia.

[yentao]

having read thru this fairly boring thread, that is until HuSanYan placed his info here.
i mean the 1st few pages are yapping on about lotions and potions (dat ja gow or whatever), at least HSY posted something on topic.

thank you HuSanYan for an interesting read.

I also like to thank him and you from posting cheesy stuffs. It finally filled what is lacking in this topic...... moronic statement. Check all topics in the forum you will always eventually find statements like these (jubaji for example). I knew this will come. Say are you all morons related. You all need a hug from one another.

[yentao]

SIAUW LIM NGO CHO KUN ( WU ZU QUAN )

( Other notations for WU ZU = NGO TJO / NGO CO / NGO CHOR )

From the deliverances, my master (SIN SHE LO SIAUW GOK) has passed down to me, follows:
the monks which could escape from the SHAO LIN holocaust, were:

1. QING CHAO HE SHANG (CAI SHANG DE), master of TAI TJO ( TAI ZU QUAN ), (grand ancestor boxing), developed from the 1. Emperor of Sung Dynasty (ZHAO KUANG YIN) and named after him
2. QING FANG HE SHANG (FANG DA HONG), master of PE HO ( BAI HE QUAN ), (FU JIAN white crane),
3. QING SHE HE SHANG (MA CHAO XING), master of TA SENG ( DA SHENG QUAN ), ((KAO KUN) monkey boxing)
4. QING SHE HE SHANG (HU DE DI), master of LO HAN ( LO HAN QUAN ), (monk's boxing),
5. QING SHENG HE SHANG (LI SHE KAI), master of TA TJUN ( DA ZUN QUAN ) (TA MO´s iron body)

and formed the base of the HO YANG school, where TJOA GIOK BENG raised as best pupil.

TJOA GIOK BENG ( CUA GIOK BENG alias YI HO ), was born in the city of TJOAN TJIU in the province HOK KIAN (in the harvest year), at the end of Qing-Dynasty. He has unified the complete north and south techniques into one. He developed (at the end of the 19. century) from the techniques TAI TJO, PE HO, TA SENG, LO HAN and TA TJUN the fighting art of the five ancestors (NGO TJO KUN). By combining the foot of the TAI TJO - system, the fingers of the PE HO, the palm of the TA SENG, the foot movement of the LO HAN and the body movements of the TA TJUN - system, he created the system of NGO TJO KUN. To spread the new system, he opened a school with the name LIN KIE TONG. The entrance was framed with signs with the labels on the left: mastering the 8 methods, there isn't any opponent. Right: mastering the Lotus blossom kick, you are the number one. Above: real South boxing. His pupils were distributed all over HOK KIAN.

His best pupils who got into history as the ten tigers were:

LIEM KIOE DJIE alias KIE CIU TA SU PEH from TJOAN TJIU was specialist in YO SIN TJIN KA and SAM TJUN TJI LUE HUAT, he was the first student of TJOA GIOK BENG,
he instructed his son
LIEM TJIAN U, who passed the techniques on to his son-in-law
TJIU TJI KIONG and to a pupil, named
ONG TJIAO LAI.

GOEI IN LAM alias HOAN TIAN PA from TJOAN TJIU owned the drugstore HOK LIN TONG OH GIOK.

ONG TJIAN PWEE alias ONG TIAO KIAN resp. TIAUW GAN.

YOE TJOEN GAN alias TJIOK SAM alias HOA SAY, from TJOAN TJIU, served TJOA GIOK BENG as bodyguard, he mastered literature and the military fighting art, he wrote the book TIONG HWA LIO SUT TA TJUAN, he died in 1912.

TAN KIONG BENG alias KIM YIK TA PING, from TJOAN TJIU, mastered the technique TIE SA TJIONG. In 1918 he crossed over to the Philippines, were he founded the school named TIONG HWA BENG KIAM KOK SUT SIA.
He instructed his son
TAN KA HONG and three other students, named
LIM TIAN SUE,
TAN TJIONG HAN and
TJIONG WUN CHAI.

HO HAI.

TAN KWI.

TIK SU.

KO CHAI WUN.

SIM YONG TIK from LAM AN, was instructed by TJOA GIOK BENG behind closed doors. He then moved to Singapore, where he founded the SING TJIU GIOK BENG KOK SUT GIAN KIU SIA.
He instructed his daughter
SIM TJI KO and other students
LIM BIE TJIOK,
LIM KE TJIONG,
LIM KE KOK,
LIM HAI LIONG.

In addition to the ten tigers, the names of seven more pupils have been handed down to me:

YONG CHIAT GIOK.

SONG SU.

HONG KUN SU.

KANG TJU LIM crossed over to Japan.

TJIONG WUN TJIONG.

LO GIAN CIU alias HO BO CIU from TJOAN TJIU, crossed over to the Philippines and founded the school named KONG HAN KOK SUT SIA in Manila.
He instructed his two sons
LO KENG HWE, which took over the school KONG HAN KOK SUT SIA,
LO KENG TJIOK owned the schools HIN HAN KOK SUT SIA and KOK KONG, KOK TAI, KONG BU TENG BU KOAN.

PIAO KE SIAN SU was abbot at TJIONG HOK SIE temple of TJOAN TJIU, he mastered the technique of the iron palm (TIE SA TJIONG).
GUAN TEN SU was his student.



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LO BAN TENG was born 1886 in TJIO BEE he died in 1958 after a heavy disease. He was instructed by four of the ten tigers, which were:
LIEM KIOE DJIE alias KIE CIU TA SU PEH,
GOEI IN LAM alias HOAN TJIAN PA,
ONG TJIAN PWEE alias ONG TIAUW GAN,
YOE TJOEN GAN alias YOE TJOEN HWA.

LO BAN TENG instructed:
LIM SUE KANG ( son of his sister),
LO BUEN LIO (son of his brother),
LO LEE HWA (his daughter),
LO SIAUW GOK (his son),
LO SIAUW TJOEN (his son),
LO SIAUW KIU (his son),
ONG KENG LIONG (his student),
TAN HWE LIONG (his student),
YONG BIEN WAN (his student),
TJING BIE SIAN (his student),
LIE KIM BIE (his student),
TAN CHUN SIONG (his student).

LO SIAUW GOK was born in 1930 and he was authorized to teach in 1955.
He instructed:
LO HAK SUAN (his daughter) from Jakarta Indonesia,
LO HAK SENG (his son) from Jakarta Indonesia,
LO HAK LUN (his son) from Jakarta Indonesia,
TAN KIM SENG (his son-in-law) from Jakarta Indonesia,
LO A HIM (his last student) from Berlin Germany.
27 pupils more are namely and some of them even personally known by me.

I'm really glad the changes of info in this (some info was wrong before). However I think Lo A Him made a mistake again that still hasn't change, Ho Yang is a person not a school. He is actually an expert of northern kungfu styles.

[HuSanYan]

Ho Yang is a person not a school. He is actually an expert of northern kungfu styles.

don't tell filthy lies yentao

[yentao]

don't tell filthy lies yentao

Don't talk about lies. So wHU SaNk the YaNk? The european newcomer did. The fake one who tell lies and has flies in his eyes. The one that do boxing with lies.

[HuSanYan]

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[yentao]

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Go box with boxes trash. I'll slap every white ass in your gym.

[HuSanYan]

the only thing you will box is your dildo into a travel box when your trailer next moves, have a nice day my smiling beauty

[Suhana LIM]

Grand Sifu Hu San Yan ni hao
There is too much exaggeration, myth-making and outright fabrication in martial arts today. So many postings in the forums sometimes more like kungfu comics. I've read quite a lot. But I have to compliment you, because so far you are the best. They are full of imaginations and make believe stuffs.
I have to salute you for that. Not many people have that sort of talent. To be honest, I am beginning to like them that I've printed and keep them as "collections." Some of my friends like them, they said it's even better than Ninja Turtle.


Whenever I need something related to legend, myth, imagination, non sober articles of course they will be my first priority.Once again thank you very much for giving me light refreshments, sad, hilarious, and other mixed emotions for the past few days.

In the mean time, I prefer dealing with something real, not imaginative, something true not exaggeration, something in this world not in the dream world. THAT'S WHY THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME I REPLY YOUR POSTING. No hard feeling I hope. If there is a competition for the best martial arts comics, sure I will nominate you.
Btw, I don't have Post Box. But if you are honest and really meant it, please send a box of tissue (that you plan to give me) as a donation to any charity in your area. For your articles, a box of tissue is not enough, I need a big towel to "cover" such a big imaginations. Have a nice day dreaming.

and again and again and again.......................

[Suhana LIM]

Grand Sifu Hu San Yan ni hao
There is too much exaggeration, myth-making and outright fabrication in martial arts today. So many postings in the forums sometimes more like kungfu comics. I've read quite a lot. But I have to compliment you, because so far you are the best. They are full of imaginations and make believe stuffs.
I have to salute you for that. Not many people have that sort of talent. To be honest, I am beginning to like them that I've printed and keep them as "collections." Some of my friends like them, they said it's even better than Ninja Turtle.


Whenever I need something related to legend, myth, imagination, non sober articles of course they will be my first priority.Once again thank you very much for giving me light refreshments, sad, hilarious, and other mixed emotions for the past few days.

In the mean time, I prefer dealing with something real, not imaginative, something true not exaggeration, something in this world not in the dream world. THAT'S WHY THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME I REPLY YOUR POSTING. No hard feeling I hope. If there is a competition for the best martial arts comics, sure I will nominate you.
Btw, I don't have Post Box. But if you are honest and really meant it, please send a box of tissue (that you plan to give me) as a donation to any charity in your area. For your articles, a box of tissue is not enough, I need a big towel to "cover" such a big imaginations. Have a nice day dreaming.

and again and again and again and again and again and again.................

[HuSanYan]

Time for some more history

CHUA GIOK BENG AND HIS NGO CHO KUN

Ngo cho kun stands out as one of the most popular among the different sryles of kung-fu from southern Fukien. Ngo cho kun is made up ofTai Cho kun,
lohan kun, tat chun kun, peho kun, and kao kun. These five styles each
have their own respective advantages: Tai Cho kun specializes in chang
chuan (10ng fist boxing); Iohan kun specializes in whipping strikes; kao
kun specializes in agile legwork; peho kun specializes in clever techniques.
By integrating the essence of these styles. Chua Giok Beng crafted ngo
cho kun which has developed into a distinctive style in its own right.
Although the form looks like Tai Cho, it also resembles kao kun and
peho. That is why many northern kung-fu masters are confused as to
what style ngo cho kun belongs. Many of the popular kun-to (forms) such
as the sam chien (three wars), se mun (four gates direction)) and song sui
(double banner fist), fall under ngo cho kun, thus establishing this art as
a legitimate style in southern Fukien.
The founder of ngo cho kun is said to be the famous Chua Giok Beng,
who came from Chuan Chiu during the late Ching dynasty. He was a
native from the Pan Be village of Chin Kang prefecture. Prior to becom-
ing a martial arts scholar (official) Beng was already famous as a kung-fu
master throughout the five prefectures of Chuan Chiu. People called him
Pan Be Ho (Crane of Pan Be). After he became an official they all called
hirn Beng Lo (Venerable Beng) .
It is said that as a youth, Chua Giok Beng was gallant and quite fond
of kung-fu. He made many friends with masters ofboth the northern and
southern styles. As a result of his training, in a few years he had spent the
fortune left to him by his father. After ten years of traveling around the
country, coupled with his intelligence, Beng was able to learn many dif-
ferent styles from several well-known masters. Along the way, as he heard
of many famous teachers, Beng would approach them for instruction.
After just a few years, Beng became an expert in various northern and
southern kung-fu styles. After that, he combined his knowledge and
founded the famous ngo cho kun.
Although already quite famous in Chuan Chiu, it wasn't until his
midyears that Beng returned to his hometown-this time as the founder
of a new style. Many kung-fu experts went to challenge and test his skills.
Not one of them could best Beng. That is why his fame echoed through
southern Fukien, and why Beng was recognized as an eminent authority
among the southern Fukien kung-fu circles. Famous masters in Chuan
Chiu, such as Wei Lin Pa (Wan Tian Pa) and Lim Kiu Lu (Kao Sai) of
the Tai Cho style, became Beng's student after their defeat. Lim Kiu Lu,
a strong and muscular master of the chang chuan (long fist) style of Tai
Cho, was already a famous teacher and only one year junior to Chua Giok
Beng. When Lim tried to test his skills with Chua Giok Beng, he was sent
back several feet by the power of Beng's punch. Admiring his skills, Lim
Kiu Lu quickly became Sijo Beng's student.
When Wei Lin Pa heard of Lim Kui Lu's defeat, he could not believe
it and went to challenge Chua Giok Beng himself. Being an expert in kick-
ing techniques, Wei Lin Pa attempted to sweep Chua Giok Beng, but was
instead grabbed by Beng and thrown through the walls of the house. Dur-
ing those times) the walls were constructed of reeds and saw dust cement- ;
ed by mud, thus being somewhat brittle. As a result of this encounter Pa
also became Beng's student.
In the southern Fukien kung-fu circles, Chua Giok Beng was nick-
named Mua Lo Hiong (Popular all the Way). This was because he had
so many students, and everyone was trying to become his student. Chua
Giok Beng was welcomed everywhere with open arms. While in his mid-
dle-age years, because of the number of students paying homage to him,
Beng had few troubles with his life. In his older years, Beng always wore
a faded blue coat, and no matter what his students gave him in terms of
new clothing, he never seemed to take it off. His students wondered what
he did with all his new clothes. Later on, they discovered Chua Giok
Beng's peculiar trait; that is, he always wore the new clothes beneath the
old ones. Since he never carried money with him, when he encountered
a person in need, he would instead take off the new clothes and give them
away .
Chua Giok Beng never had any intention of taking the exam to become
a counry martial arts official. As a result, he never paid much attention to
archery and horse riding. Later on, however, in Chuan Chiu, there were
many martial arts scholars who admired his extraordinary skills and they
persuaded Beng to learn the art of archery and horsemanship, in order to
undergo the examination. At that time Chua Giok Beng was already forty
years old. He passed the test and became a bu siu chai (martial arts coun-
ty official) .
At that time, there was no master in Fukien province who could defeat
Chua Giok Beng in hand-to-hand combat. As a result, many of the estab-
lished masters came to study under him and were thus influenced by ngo
cho kun. Such influence made ngo cho kun one of the most popular styles
in China. In Chuan Chiu, and other nearby places, many adopted his sam
chien form to the beginner's curriculum. Although the sam chien seems
simple, with only three steps forward and three steps backward, these
steps are the essence of ngo cho kun kung-fu.