Tai Chi,good self-defense art or not?

[TTEscrima]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear
the very first National full contact matches held involving Taiji and Baqua were STOPPED in the middle due to numerous deaths and injuries.

Looking back, we never did get any definitive proof of this claim anyway...

For someone who acts like such a know it all about the CMA's you don't know jack shit and prove it every time you post, once again you don't even have knowledge of commonly known information.

"The Lèi tái (Traditional: 擂臺 Simplified: 擂台 – “Beat (a drum) Platform”) is a raised fighting platform, without railings, where often fatal weapons and bare-knuckle martial arts tournaments were once held. "Sanctioned" matches were presided over by a referee on the platform and judges on the sides. Fighters would lose if they surrendered, were incapacitated, were thrown or otherwise forced from the stage. The winner would remain on the stage (as its "owner") unless ousted by a stronger opponent. If there were no more challengers, they would become the champion. Private duels on the stage had no rules and were sometimes fought to the death.

In its present form, the lei tai first appeared in China during the Song Dynasty.[1] However, ancient variations of it can be traced back to at least the Qin Dynasty.[2] Today it is used in Sanshou and Kuoshu competitions throughout the world.

National Boxing Competitions

In order to screen the best practitioners for teaching positions at the newly founded Central Kuoshu Institute (中南國術館), and in the provincial schools, Generals Zhang Zhi Jiang (张之江) (1882-1966), Li Lie Jun (李烈鈞) (1882-1946) and Li Jing Lin (李景林) (1884-1931) held the first modern full contact, national competition in October 1928. Many traditional masters did not compete because they believed their skills could only be proven in serious duels and not "sporting" contests. However, the event attracted hundreds of the best Chinese martial artists who participated in boxing, weapons and wrestling in a lei tai ring format. But after the first several days, the fighting competitions had to be halted because two masters were killed and many more seriously injured. The final 12 contestants were not permitted to continue for fear of killing off some of the greatest masters of the time. The overall winner was voted on by a jury of his peers. Many of the "Top 15" finishers (some being Xingyi boxers) went on to teach at the institute.[26]"

Lei tai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[jubaji]

Wiki.....pedia....


Unbelievable.








Another of your sacred texts, I take it?








Wow.

[TTEscrima]

Wiki.....pedia....


Unbelievable.








Another of your sacred texts, I take it?








Wow.

Yes punk, even wikipedia has the info. ANY source is more reliable than you, and the pack of lies you've spread. Try to shrug it off but the fact is your little act has been exposed poser boy, you're a fraud and a liar who never studied under Uncle Chen.


You count on the fact the that the lineages don't post most of this info so you can hide behind your lack of knowledge while dismissing sources on your high and mighty word alone, sorry punk but the info is out there and common among people who have actually trained in the arts you lied about training in.

Here's a entire thread and discussion of the results of the 1928 tournament from a different source and it isn't "sacred" either, you're just an exposed little pansy poser floundering for excuses.

http://groups.google.com/group/formosa-neijia-discussion/browse_thread/thread/d2248abbbe82b9d

http://www.geocities.com/ottawakungfu/052Overview1Hist02H.htm

[DickHardman]

so let me get this straight. jubaji tried to say he did some tai chi at the park, and even that was exposed to be a lie like most of the other stuff he says, like being a college professor, using wwf moves on knife wielding attackers in dennys parking lots, and being married?

[TTEscrima]

so let me get this straight. jubaji tried to say he did some tai chi at the park, and even that was exposed to be a lie like most of the other stuff he says, like being a college professor, using wwf moves on knife wielding attackers in dennys parking lots, and being married?

Oh yeah his lie was totally exposed, he didn't even train in a park much less under Uncle Chen. His Tai Chi claims are bogus like the rest of his claims. If he knew anything about the man he claimed as his teacher he would know his claims were laughable.

[taoistscholar]

Definitely! what you're saying is correct. Chi is EVERYWHERE within you. and most definitely within your blood stream. How can you know this? Firstly by the feeling you explained. No matter what others say with regards to chi or whatever you want to call it, only YOU feel what it is. Chi is almost imppossible to explain because it's nameless and undefinable in context. When i say this i mean no matter how complex your definition becomes the farther you come from what is real. This is why so many schools deviate from the true tai chi. Secondly, we as tai chi practitioners can soon discover that our blood is a source of - or directly related - to chi as a result of analyzing our body's changes.

Generally, it is said that through tai chi our bodies will first experience change through the soft bits such as our tendons, ligaments, internal organs and most definitely our muscles. Secondly, our bones and internal structure develop and lastly our spirit/style. is distinguished thus naturally eminates from our being.

Clearly, our blood is cleaned and made to be most benneficial through tai chi than any excercise out there could ever do. Our blood is what heals and strengthens and ultimately makes our muscles function. Next, our blood is our energy and through tai chi we are spending less of our energy on our muscles and leaving it to heal, repair and innovate our internal organs into the strongest super body we can create. If we are conserving our energy instead of spending 150% of it on our muscles our bodies more important and more isolated parts will be supplied a prime environment to flourish. Our internal organs are viewed as one of our main responsibilities/priorties in tai chi. Hence, why it is called an internal martial art.

Proof that our blood is with direct relation to chi can also be revealed when we look to our bones (another prime candidate to the internal martial artist's system). Studies have been performed and delivered nothing but positive results that lead to the conclusion that the relationship of tai chi and one's internal structure (bones) are evidently A-alike. What strengthens our bones? Bone maril. Which IS a respondent to our body's circulatory system.

~Taoistscholar

P.S. the mass you feel in your hands is a result of letting go of (relaxing) your muscles, so you can feel the true mass of your arm. Sounds like youre on the right path. Do you happen to feel fingers tingling as well? do they generate heat as well?

I reccomend you force yourself to practice a bit more. I know force isnt something you want to do in tai chi but getting started you have to feel stiff and unbearable this is how you know youre doing the right thing. After you begin to get a taste for this art it will be IMPOSSIBLE to stop. trust me

Keep up the training. I look forward to hearing from you.

[jubaji]

Yes punk, even wikipedia has the info. ANY source is more reliable than you.

Here's a entire thread and discussion

So, we've got Wiki-fucking-pedia and a *gasp* discussion on a forum!

Unimpeachable!!!


..........................wow

[jubaji]

Try to shrug it off but the fact is your little act has been exposed poser boy, you're a fraud and a liar who never studied under Uncle Chen.

Interesting that it seems to bother you so much that I was fortunate enough to have that training, however brief. Why is that? Something bothering you? Wanna talk about it?

[jubaji]

a lie like most of the other stuff he says, like being a college professor, using wwf moves on knife wielding attackers in dennys parking lots

Of course I never said any of those things, but I'm sure its all quite hilarious to Cheech down there alone in his basement in a cloud of smoke.

[TTEscrima]

So, we've got Wiki-fucking-pedia and a *gasp* discussion on a forum!

Unimpeachable!!!


..........................wow

Yeah clown, you don't even know enough to realize who those people were on that forum, only 3 of the most recognized authorities on the CMA's were involved in that discussion, way to show your ignorance, again. It's funny how you do that every time you post anything other than the.....that comprised your first 7800 posts, I guess now we see why, its the sum of your knowledge on the subject.

[TTEscrima]

Interesting that it seems to bother you so much that I was fortunate enough to have that training, however brief. Why is that? Something bothering you? Wanna talk about it?

Sure, entertain us with some more of your BS, tell us something you learned from Uncle Chen in your two years in a park from 92-94 as Uncle Chen's first waigouren, please enlighten us.

[jubaji]

Yeah clown, you don't even know enough to realize who those people were on that forum, only 3 of the most recognized authorities on the CMA's were involved in that discussion, way to show your ignorance, again. It's funny how you do that every time you post anything other than the.....that comprised your first 7800 posts, I guess now we see why, its the sum of your knowledge on the subject.

In other words, you got nothing legitimate. Got it.

[TTEscrima]

In other words, you got nothing legitimate. Got it.

Why of course Jubaji's word on the subject is more legitimate than Dr Fish's, Dan Miller's, Jerry Cravens or Joseph Crandall's, you're a god damned idiot boy, you do realize that don't you?

[jubaji]

you learned from Uncle Chen in your two years in a park from 92-94 as Uncle Chen's first waigouren

It was '94 and '95. Pay attention, idiot.

[jubaji]

Dr Fish's, Dan Millers or Jerry Cravens?

Historians? Maybe they have more legitimate documentation than Wiki-areyoufuckingkiddingme-pedia, chat rooms, hearsay, legend, etc.


Interesting how desperate you are to believe the "too many were being killed!" bit. When you eventually admit that you can't prove any such killings during this tournament, you will be left with "they were afraid someone would be killed" and finally just "injuries." Why not just leave it at that from the outset and not make yourself look like a silly drama queen? Could it be that you have to have this legend of the past to justify exaggerrated claims of 'deadliness' and whatnot instead of being satisfied with hard work and natural ability?