??? re Greg Alland tapes...

[MasterKaliSilat]

Greetings from around the globe!

Been working hard on getting more things done with less time, editing a show on cable TV in NYC, 9:PM tuesdays channel 56. And, looking to bring a group to the Cebu, Philippines March 30th for 12 to 14 days, training in the country of origin is always exciting, many new and old friends will be around.

GM Canete, Esq is arranging the event and we'll have some competition as well in fighting and forms and demonstrations, and training with the masters and grand masters still around. It's been twenty years since I was in Cebu, and in that part of the country they are well organized for these Philippines Arts and Sciences.

Ok, by the way, I do represent myself, as well as many Filipino masters. Those of you that know me, I've always promoted Filipino masters to practice with anytime they are in town. We can learn from everyone. No one should be judged, we're not actually here for that, but to share and to grow, and that's why I've made the DVDs or tapes, they're amaturish, but that have the system. The system is the precious method of practice, when you've practiced them all the 12 methods, you should have it. It comes from woking hard, and that's what we'll be doing in Cebu March 30th to April 14th.

Then I'll be in Brazil afterwards, they got the idea of our methods of practice there and Guru Paulo A. is working hard to provide a tournament and training in late April / May 2006.

Hope to see everyone in Wichita Falls Tx, end of November and in Washington DC area first Week end in December.

Any way, we continue to practice we continue to grow, and incidently of Greg Alland's tapes / DVDs, I only have five of them, the others belong to great martial artists from Grand Master Dionisio Canete, Grand Master Jose Reyes, Grand Master Jerson 'Nene' Tortal, Grandmaster Suryadi Jafri, emeritus, and two tournament study tapes, and several masters and grand masters from the Indonesian study of Pencak Silat.

So that's the scope on today's post by Greg Alland, see you.

[Northstorm]

Kaliace, What about it... Are you ever going to answer Greg Allands statements and also now these?
Are You, or is Greg Alland, the representative of GM Tortal now?

It is not a question of "who represents GM Tortal". ... he represents himself very well. If you doubt that, watch him workout for two hours non-stop, and then still be fresh for the next young, well rested challenger. GM Tortal has many students, they each represent themselves, albeit their "self" includes the lessons they have learned from others. GM Tortal might be working closely with one group of students or another at any given time.

[theduke]

oh no...VT3 again? What did we miss?

Was wondering though, How come Mike Olive doesnt respond on this thread any more? He has been posting recently, at others, on this website...but not here.

Kaliace, What about it... Are you ever going to answer Greg Allands statements and also now these?
Are You, or is Greg Alland, the representative of GM Tortal now?

[VT3]

it is not Dekiti Tirsia Siradas system, it is Greg’s own version of a system he calls “SinaTirsiaWali” I belive. The only thing Greg uses in his version is the twelve strikes from Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, nothing else….nothing.
Michael G Olive

This is a thoughtless statement...

Michael Olive run his mouth all over so why dont you answer the man? you been hiding ever since Greg Alland came on and put u in ur place! So U R scared of Greg Alland!

[Northstorm]

it is not Dekiti Tirsia Siradas system, it is Greg’s own version of a system he calls “SinaTirsiaWali” I belive. The only thing Greg uses in his version is the twelve strikes from Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, nothing else….nothing.
Michael G Olive

This is a thoughtless statement since the tape that Masguru Greg sells that teaches Dekiti Tirsia Siradas is of Nene Tortal himself, demonstrating the style. I was standing ten feet away from Tuhan Nene Tortal in Chicago when he said that Greg was a master of this style, and thanked him for bringing Dekiti Tirsia Siradas to America.

Masguru Greg founded SinaTirsiaWali, which is a concept more than a system, in which traditional styles can be expressed in a way unique to each practioner. He does not sell any tapes on SinaTirsiaWali (as far as I know), but it may be that you are confusing his tapes on Pekiti Tirsia, which is incorporated within Sinatisiawali. He learned the early version of Pekiti Tirsia which focused on the original 64 strikes, from Master Leo Gaje. I don't believe Master Leo teaches this version any longer. I won't be responding further regarding Masguru Greg publicly on this thread, since I have too much respect for him and kali to contribute to a negative debate. But for the record, I consider Masguru Greg to be a superior martial artist and an enlightened individual.

I can be contacted at kali@northstorm.com.

Tom Murray - Charlotte Mi

[greentea]

Also interested in MasterKaliSilat

Greetings to Guro Dave Gould, Top Dog and everyone else:

I also would very much be interested to read more from Master Greg Alland and what his experiences were throughout the years. I have looked up a lot of other websites and other posts about Greg Alland and find him to be a very interesting person. He seems to have been with some of the very best masters in the martial arts of the Philippines and Indonesia. It also is quite evident that Master Greg Alland is currently persuing philosophy and seeking knowledge in higher ways and standards.

This forum seems to have been very good in presenting Greg Alland to other practisioners of Martial Arts, as I was unaware of Master Greg Alland until I found this forum through a search engine. I have also had discussions about Greg Alland with other instructors who have been to this website and many come here to see if anything new and interesting will be posted.

[Guro Dave Gould]

Hi guys,

In light of all of these recent controversial attacks on some of our Brothers character I just wanted to add one thing of value. There is alot of wisdom to be found in this old Pilipino parable which goes like this:

"Ang sakit ng kalingkingan, damdam ng buong katawan."

Literally translated it means: " The pain of your little finger can be felt by your whole body."

Loosely translated people use it to comment that bad news about a member of a community affects the whole community.

People on the outside looking in see all of us in the Pilipino Warrior Arts community as one community. And we are judged not by one mans actions but by every ones actions as a whole. The more that we publically slander our brothers reputations for self gain has a negative effect on the community as a whole. This is why these things should be handled in private between the two parties affected and not be brought out in plain view of the public and subject to public scorn.

Which brings me to another Pilipino proverb which states "Ang dungis ng iba, bago mo batiin,ang dungis mo muna ang iyong pahirin." which translated means: "Before you criticize others make sure that you do not have the same faults."

Go well guys, and stay challenged by your training. Ciao.

Guro Dave Gould.

https://www.LamecoEskrima.org

[TopDog]

Been A while since I visited

I missed it. Wow that was cool Greg Alland posting on here. Hope he comes back with more stuff! If You do Master Alland please address those who never met you and doubt your skills and more details of what goes on behind the scenes. I was Emailing one of your students a while ago He said that you were an awesome teacher and a Legit Master. So I respect his opinion because he was an accomplished full contact fighter. Etan, and others that I know speak highly of his prowess in the ring. I think that in person you probably come across better than on your old videos, I mean your skills and personality. I thought Guro Dave Goulds posts were awesome and Mike Snows posts explained a lot too, heard a lot of good thing's about him. What Masters are you affiliated with today? Hope that You come back on and post any news

[gago420]

so who's really the one doing the bs-ing?

Ok, so now that I read the threads, which oine of them is doing the bs-ing?

Gago kayo pala eh....

[tigrtclaw]

Lots more

Is Master Grag Alland, Thee "KaliSilatMaster" going to write some more? Hope he shares more with us and addresses furthur all of the controversies.
C'mon there is a lot more to tell us still MasGuru-KaliSilat

[danjuandesiga]

heh...

o........k....

[theduke]

KaliSilatGuru Greg Alland

Greg Alland, Tapes, Techniques, phoney. - HERE'S THE REAL STORY.10. Realize that you can't resolve a problem by condeming it.Practice radical humility.
I clearly failed here, so I take many lessons and look forward to listening within. My mistake for not being kind. Kindness, an unseen truth, seeking the peaceful solution in every conflict
Many times I ask forgiveness, so I stay on my path

MAster KAli Silat,

Yeah okay That Dyer guy wrote a bunch of books and stuff and made millions So What about your video tapes?

Like Tiger t claw brought up and everyone else wants to know.You made a bunch of videos like a quarter century ago. So Are you all through with that now?

You realise that people are talking right? Expecting a better product from someone who has your credentials.

Is that the best you have to offer after seeing all your ads everywhere fear no man on earth? Or are you distributing Dyers Products now?


Alright so you talk about forgiviness and all that stuff you learned from Dyer and so you are a better person and have grown... So what's with the posts trashing Mike Olive? What's that all about?

[MasterKaliSilat]

???? Greg Alland, Tapes, Techniques, phoney. - HERE'S THE REAL STORY.

???? Greg Alland, Tapes, Techniques, phoney. - HERE'S THE REAL STORY.

Wow! I've gotten thousands, no hundreds of emails asking me to respond to the many questions noted in the subject above, in that Master Greg Alland, newly on Defend.net is MasterKaliSilat, and would I reply with the real story. I must digress first to appreciate the complete truth.

In 1986 when a letter was circulated cancelling my kali silat academic and physical study, albeit small, I threw it away and thought.... (all theses .... in each the future* and it's here now.)

I began reading and wondering about Kali Silat in every aspect, and where we all came from and everything. I guess everybody did at one time or another.

So here's the real story from an early beginning, to a middle, a revelation, several actually, and I began to see exactly who I am, and I accepted my self for it, and took resposibility for my actions and you'll find the answere to all of this in number 13, which I added. That began when I was almost 17, in 1963 while looking for this warrior practice for myself, but it wasn't until many years after I began that the 13th number emerged.

I found this teacher of Kali Silat in 1972, nine years later and everybody knows, what happened next. But more importantly I wanted you to know that I progressed in my study as a student of Kali Silat first, I have been selfish about this. In my thinking I discovered that Dr. Dwayne Dyer** put my thinking almost to the exact in his 12 points in his new(?) book, "The Power of Intention", in addition I began his readings about two years ago, and I have progressed to the point of how I can respond to all these questions, over six thousand of them, and streams of email.

Dr. Dyer's 12 items from his book "The Power of Intention", are numbered, and my response underneath. This list was given to me by a dear friend, companion, and student of the arts himself.

1. Do more for others than yourself.
I began doing this in the hospitals I worked, back then in the 60's it was a way of helping others, giving understanding to those then entered, I became department head of admitting and a quasi administrator before I left the business in 1974. I left, after I met my teacher and took the opportunity to work only on Kali Silat for my teacher, as he asked, and I continue to introduce my student to them when I can, it is the way in Kali Silat.

2. Think from the end.
We all do, I always imagined, "What if I did..." more negative, then positive back then, and more positive now.

3. Be an appreciator in your life.
I love myself, there's no question about it. I get up early to enjoy the day, one at a time, and I do what I want.

4. Stay in rapport with source energy.
I realized everything I did required understanding, when thinking I always remember everything I do comes from within. I practice to continue this balance always. There's a statment I made to a student of a friend circa 1988 or so, "If you know where to look, look there again, Kali Silat resides in the same place".

5. Resistance comes from embracing anything other than what you come from-source.
I don't remember what I had for breakfast, why must I wonder what happend yesterday, a week ago, a month, years, my time is too precious. I'll just continue what I'm doing......

6. Contemplate yourself as surrounded by the conditions that you want to produce/that which you need.
I do what I want to do, I knew that when I was sixteen when my search began. And in 1972 I met my first teacher in Kali Silat and he asked me to be president of the organization, and I replied no. I'll do what you want me to do, but I'm here for the rest of my life, and the first..... Well, I have received certifications of Master by both these extrodinary gentlemen that support me and in Pekiti Tirsia, I quote Leo, "If you spent your time with Greg, you spent your time wisely". In a New York Seminar 2002 or so. In Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, "Not matters what!", says Grand Master Tortal, in his video that raised enough money to bring him to the US in a round of seminars I organized for him, and again in the second round in 2002, and again in 2004, where I spent over 9,000 for all the tour expenses, with the help of many Kali Silat supporters. And in addition I expect no less then each student to be with my teacher. In all the paper means nothing, I known when I'm a master, anyways. Ask me some other time, not now.

7. Practice the art of allowing.
Now each of 'my master and grand master instructors' all of them, except Suryadi Jafri, RIP, immediately took over any or all my students, I planned it this way, and since the early 70's when I was permitted to teach, Tuhon Gaje, both my private students continued with my teacher, of course. Why would you want to be taught by Greg Alland, when his teachers have the knowledge. I introduced all students to these gentlemen and recently to Grand Master Tortal for the same purpose, all his new representatives, started here. But here is only my path, part of number six this is, too, (also).

8. Practice radical humility.
I clearly failed here, so I take many lessons and look forward to listening within.

9. Be in a constant state of gratitude.
It recently began, and I'm greatful for the day, one at a time, and I want to help more people now then ever. When you see a man or woman hungry, they too may be just like you.

10. Realize that you can't resolve a problem by condeming it.
Many times I ask forgiveness, so I stay on my path. And, for all the children out there, they too have their lessonnnnssss.

11. Be in the match with the field of intent.
It sounds like a fight, but I'm sure it's not meant that way. None the less, it is difficult to remember to practice. "Practice shows you the way", Suryadi Jafri, circa 1977

12. Meditate.
During my traning with Suryadi Jafri, I began meditation under his guidence, I use it often today, and know from those that worked with me in the early days, that you can see future events as short, medium and long time elements.

13. See the future.
I have! It too resides there!

[tigrtclaw]

it took a year, but the master appears

HEY is that Thee Greg Alland himself, posting as MasterKaliSilat? What an Honor and after all this time. I once had some of your tapes years ago -since though I had either given them away or taped cartunes over them I think. Anyways That is what this whole thing was about originally remember everyone? It seems there are different opinions on You and your abilities- some for and some against. I personally thought that the tapes I had purchased were poo. Not to say you dont have ability just that I remember the presentation and all to be not worth watching and the poor sound quality just got on my nerves. On the other hand I have tons of other tapes by other teachers out there that I do enjoy. Have you considered maybe investing the time and cash and having more professional quality tapes to offer? Well it is your reputation and you can only do what you believe is good enuff for you. Besides all that with the tapes there seems to be other issues out there in kali silat land. Whats your story?

[Karl_]

stop

HI to everybody here,

I was reading and following this topic for a long time and seems this will never finish....since we are human beings we are not perfect and like in everyday life there is always the temptaion to speak bad about others and to listen and read more about it....than people wo dont even know the Persons there aretalking about will say something again and again like a never ending story. Normally when I listen and I say listen something about someone it will stay there cause I think ist the best way to stop a rumor or whatever,unfortunately in most of the forums I visit more than 90% is talking about other people in a very destructive manner.....and the worst is that this doesnt meake us more powerfull or better in our arts nor make as better as a Person...
Im living here in Germany and travel many times to the PH since 1992 (Im sure not as often as Mr Alland do or did and many others) and met there the Tortals so Im training with them, but have a very long road before me and maybe will ot be able to live long enough to learn from them or even to learn from others, cause you can learn everyday from everybody...so IM not a GUro as written in the homepage from Dekiti but I know why Master Tortal wrote there that IM a GUro and I really apreciate and Im very thankfull to him for sharing his knowledge with me.....he trust me and that means much for me.
I know also Mike (Mike or MAMIKE) a very nice guy a good friend and a better
MA as IM do and very giving but I dont know personally Master G Alland
who seems to be also a Person who dedicates his live to the arts and has much to share with many of us and for sure knows more than what we will be able to learn in our whole live what is the same I think form Master Tortal.
Why IM saying that, cause its somehow sad to read about people you know and to see how for one reason or onother they are discussing or whatever...
to finish what I want to say is it doesnt make you better if u will know why
Master G Alland and why Master Tortal are not more together and writing about it will not give u any credit, it just shows that by doing so u are still using pampers and have a lot to learn about life people friendship and respect.
So please stop asking or writing about it, let just the parts involved in this to maybe one day to talk again and maybe come togeher and forget the pass....who knows.
Bye and peace
Karl