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Originally posted by darrianation
YEAH!!!
(i guess 
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YEAH!!! (i guess )
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Originally posted by HandtoHand
I did try to stick up for you. I figure a delinquent like you needs to be looked after. As long as you're posting on forums you're not out in the streets jacking little old ladies for cigarretes. And now you're armed!
Your ax looks cool. I made a similar thing in my social studies class in jr. high. Have you tried to use it (chop kindling? skin a deer?)Comment
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I have a bad back, so I was planning on getting a chinese fighting cane, since it is totally legal, and I have seen some cool thing done with them.Comment
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Hantohand how did you get to post that picture? A nd do you know how is it possible to use a picture as Avatar?
Thanks
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though this ranks as one of the stupidest threads, all 13 pages of it, i'd like to say that the only quote that matters is the one above. gold star and a pat on the back for darrianation.Originally posted by darrianationComment
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It's not that easy to block a knife attack ,novice or not, besides how do you know hes a novice ?Originally posted by AlexJitsu
Another tma with no experience of the real world. Take it from me if someone pulls a knife either run or pull a weapon yourself.Comment
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I carry a knife
I carry a knife most of the time, I never plan on using it, If a dog attacks me while I'm running or I need it for something else I've got it. It's like caring my driver lic. if a cop stops me I have it, but I never get stopped and asked.cariComment
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I totally agree, and I have stated this over and over again. This is very dangerous to think you can be able to disarm a knife and use wristlocks in fights. The reality is you will most likely fail such attempts and be stabbed, and slashed.Originally posted by chimpgimp
I often practice knife against unarmed, and teach it too. I practice the “LIVE” method with many different live drills. I have been to many tactical/combative knife courses and I have been killed many times (using safety knives of course). One thing I have learned is going up against a knife is very unpredictable.
You cannot predict who has a knife and who is willing to use a knife. You cannot predict how you will deal with it once you realize your attacker has a knife. Knife disarms, and wrist locks takes a high degree of fine motor skill, “Fear and adrenaline” degrades fine motor function and makes it extremely difficult to carryout such defenses. You will fail more often than you will succeed.
According to Darren Laur:
I’m a big believer in, "don’t tell me, show me" so in early 1992 I conducted an empirical video research study. I had 85 police officers participate in a scenario based training session where unknown to them; they would be attacked with a knife. The attacker, who was dressed in a combatives suit, was told that during mid way of the contact, they were to pull a knife that they had been concealing, flash it directly at the officer saying "I’m going to kill you pig" and then engage the officer physically.
The results were remarkable:
· 3/85 saw the knife prior to contact
· 10/85 realized that they were being stabbed repeatedly during the scenario
· 72/85 did not realize that they were being assaulted with a knife until the scenario was over, and the officers were advised to look at their uniforms to see the simulated thrusts and slices left behind by the chalked training knives
When I reviewed the hours of videotape of the above noted scenarios, I also made several other interesting observations in how the majority of officers reacted to the attacks:
· Most attempted to disengage from the attacker by backing away from the threat. This usually resulted in the attacker closing quite quickly with their victim
· Those officers that did engage the threat immediately, proceeded to block the initial strike of the attacker and then immediately began to grapple with the attacker using elbows and knee strikes, but FAILED TO CONTROL THE DELIVERY SYSTEM REUSLTING IN A LARGE NUMBER OF LETHAL BLOWS WITH THE KNIFE.
· Most of the scenarios ended up on the ground
Taken form Darren Laur Integrated street combatives.
My Own real world experience backs this up. In the mid 80’s I was attacked by multiples (5) so it made it more difficult for me, but one of them was armed with a screwdriver, I was able to parry his knife hand several times, I used body movement to avoid being stabbed a few more times, I was successful with teeps (push kicks) to keep him at bay. I also had a bicycle lock I was swinging and hit his weapons arm several times and his shoulder and head but at a point I lost the lock and was nearly overwhelmed by my 5 assailants when a good Samaritan with a gun stepped in and saved my life literally.
Anyway to make a long story short, at the time I had 9 years experience in martial arts May Thai and Karate and a military combatives course. I was stabbed twice once in the arm (inside of my elbow) trying to block, and once in my upper thigh (hip area) While I was kicking. I believe even if I didn’t have 5 guys on me I still wouldn’t have been able to disarm this guy he was punching with one arm and swinging the screwdriver with the other and didn’t respond to pain at all.
* I told the story in more detail in another thread.
My training did help but mostly the bicycle lock was the key to keeping me alive until help arrived (1-2 minutes). My MT training was next best (parries and teeps).
I still believe the best defenses are:
1) Planning and prevention (knowledge, risk assessment skills, and set security procedures)
2) Awareness
3) Avoidance
4) Escape and evasion
5) De-escalation
My going up against weapons philosophy is simple:
1) RUN!
2) Use an obstacle to keep between you and the attacker (Table, car, desk, etc.).
3) Pull your own weapon if distance and time allows
4) Hasty weapons: Weapons that gives you better distance like a chair (you can swing it or throw it at the attacker to give you an opportunity to escape), Pool cue, beer bottles (beer mugs), end tables, etc can all be used as weapons to keep distance and, or provide time/opportunity to escape.
5) Kick- kicks to cause damage. This also helps to maintain distance.
6) Unarmed techniques: All the above has failed perform unarmed against armed techniques or in other words fight with your hands and feet and for ECQB (extremely close quarters battle) use disarms
* If you are armed with a gun, I would still attempt escape first, if there were no practical escape then shoot.
The basic triage works like this a knife is pulled by an attacker- retreat, retreat to gain access to a weapon, use distance enhancers like a firearm, pool cue, chair, tree branch, 2x4, throw things such as beer mugs, rocks/bricks pull a knife of your own, finely feet (kicks), and etc.
If you are left fighting this guy empty handed then go for the knife hand controls/disarms just remember if you are lucky enough to grab the knife arm he still has a free arm (or maybe a 2nd knife), an elbow, two knees and feet, teeth to bite you with and a head in which he can head but, so he is still dangerous.Comment
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Kicking will get you into trouble unless you have a very poor opponent and are yourself an expert... one hit only is needed to immobilize your leg or cut the femoral arthery....5) Kick- kicks to cause damage. This also helps to maintain distance.Comment
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If you noticed kicking is number 5 on list. Yes, it is dangerous, you will get no argument from me on that. But it is still better to kick and keep distance than it is to let him in close. Most fatal knife wounds are to the chest (between the ribs) and come from multiple chest wounds. Very few, infact no one that I know of or heard has ever died from a single stab to the leg (I am sure it has happened though).Originally posted by krys
The key to surviving knife attacks is, and always has been distance!
*Note: If you are down to number 5 on the list you are in a shit load of trouble anyway!Comment
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It is possible to get a kill if you cut the leg... not really common but happens...
What is more likely is that your leg may get tetanized and then.....
heaven forbid this(extremely close quarters battle).....
A pattern that often emerges (Philippines) is an opponent trying to slash you in the long range before getting close to kill you with multiple short stabs...
Agreed... anyway I always try to have option 3) at hand...The key to surviving knife attacks is, and always has been distance!
*Note: If you are down to number 5 on the list you are in a shit load of trouble anyway!Comment
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It has & is always the common sense teaching in every martial school that if somebody attacks you with a knife it is best to find a weapon of your own or run.
But in a worse case scenerio, no time to find a weapon becuase the attacker is coming at you no time to run too. This is where your training has to comes in, usually martial training is about bringing out & increasing our adrenaline to a level of fearlessness & viciouness it is about being " jurementado" the wild animal in us, the survivability in us, the hidden strength in us in cases of emergencies in a combat situation has to come out.
Focus, & strike hard, keep your arms close to your body. If the attacker is not a train combatant chances are you might survive. In those kind of situation there is no time to panic or be merciful survivability is your main focus.
If he swing his knife you have to go in or step into his knife hand sideways using two hands to control the knife hand & at the same time kick him hard either in groin or knee area. The kick should be strong enough that he would shift his attention to the pain this should allow you execute a wrist break or elbow break.
The advantage of a train combatant is he / she knows how to fight with everything the body can give him/ she.
Expereince wise, the only encounter I have against somebody arm was in a gun draw situation. I had a confrontation with a group of people when one of them try to draw a gun at me, unknowingly to him I had a gun too. Instinctively I just jump out of my car & pull my gun as soon as he saw me with my gun pulled out of my holster, I guessed he must have panic & frooze he put his gun back & run away. After that I thought to myself, we were only about 5-7 feet away, what if he didn`t run? I know that I have out drew him becuase I had my gun out already while he was still holding on to the butt of his gun in his holster, I could have fired away at him or we could have fired at each other the same time? But my eyes were all focus at his chest where I was going to aim at, that`s how I was able to see him still holding on to his gun butt. Thanks God he run.
That`s why in training we must train with emotion, we must picture in our mind that evrything we are doing, shadow boxing, forms, bag training & drills are focus on real fighting situation.Comment
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I have a generic protocol that I use for a wide variety of self-defense situations.
My above post explains my protocol against weapons, in this particular case against a knife.
My general over all protocol: First and foremost are the three Ps.
Planning, prevention, and security procedures
It is based on:
1) Intelligence, knowledge, and information
2) Awareness
3) Avoidance
4) Escape and evasion
5) De-escalation
6) And the Use of force latter
The key ingredience is:
1) Be aware at all times- aware of danger areas, be aware of an approach, be aware of people/persons in a heightened emotional state, be aware of groups of teenagers, or people who seem out of place.
2) Recognize what constitutes a threat and the warning signs and determining level of threat- Understanding the conditions and environments that allows for criminals to be successful, how criminal contact is made, how a would be attacker acts (body language, posturing, and etc), how he selects his victims.
3) Leave the area; avoid confrontation, or escape- after establishing that there is a threat leaving the area as quickly as possible.
4) De-escalate if possible- If contacted use verbal/negotiating skills to talk the guy down from his emotional state. This will also help you if the police become involved.
5) Act appropriately based on use of force latter- After determining the level of force being used act with the appropriate level of force in return.
*If you reasonably fear for your life or serious injury he is 3 times your size and determined and capable of killing you, multiple attackers, armed attackers. Then use lethal force.
An example of a self-defense protocol in action would be:
A: A 20year old female is walking alone down the street in lowlight predawn hours, she is aware of her surroundings and environment. A car comes up behind her and slows down. She looks but does not recognize the car or driver; she immediately turns and begins walking in the opposite direction making sure she is not close enough to grab. The car begins to back up, slowly. She notices and begins to run towards someone in authority or group of people in a well-lit area, she runs for help yelling “fire” (or some other attention getting phrase). The BG frustrated drives off.
B: You are in a bar. Someone takes a dislike to the way you look (for whatever reason) and that someone is pissed (maybe his girlfriend just left him), at any rate he pulls a knife- You Run! But he is between you and the only exit. You run behind a table and keep it between you and the BG. The BG overturns the table, and you run behind a support column keeping it between you and the bad guy. You try to reason with him but he ignores your pleas. You are not armed, but you pick up a chair and use it by swinging it to keep him at distance. He grabs the chair and rips it out of you hands, you see a pool cue laying on a pool table you make your break for it, but he cuts you off. You kick him in the knee and as he reacts, it gives you just enough time and distance to get to the pool cue. After hitting him with it a couple of times he backs off slightly giving you a clear path to the exit.
In scenario A, we used our awareness skills, and knowledge/security plan by knowing to turn and walk in the opposite direction, confirming this guy is up to no good (determining threat). If he was just stopping to ask directions he probably would have driven on when you changed directions. Also by moving towards safety shows intelligence, knowledge, and adherence to her personal security procedures (of course she shouldn’t have been alone in the first place, but then we all can’t have companions with us at all times, now can we?).
In scenario B we began from a violent confrontation. We were aware he had a knife, we tried to escape, we tried de-escalation, we used obstacles to keep him at bay, and we used improvised weapons and distancing ploys. Our victim did not try to fight this guy empty handed until there was no choice. He did not try any disarms, no wristlocks, he did not allow the BG to get close enough to strike a fatal wound. He also took the first reasonable opportunity to disengage and retreat.
There are obviously more to it and many more scenarios with many different facets and variability’s but these protocols make it much simpler to put into effect against a wide variety of situations.Comment
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I agree, and all of those that you have pointed out is what being taught in seminars & in many community awareness programs.Originally posted by darrianation
What really kind`d amaze is that all those are actually being taught & practiced in most third world countries before it became a trend & people who live in a high crime rate areas are just doing those things.Comment
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It's amazing how far a little common sense can go to keeping you out of trouble.Originally posted by konghan
Many people learn these things through experience. Just go to israel or any combat zone, or a neighborhood in Compton and you'll see even the kids are masters of awareness as well as other hightened senses.Comment
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