Bullet Dodging Kata

[academian]

Wow?!?!?!

WOW I am very surprised that someone named kotoryu would make a statement like that as gun defenses dodges and disarms are Required study for dan level in bujinkan!!!???

[bodhisattva]

WOW I am very surprised that someone named kotoryu would make a statement like that as gun defenses dodges and disarms are Required study for dan level in bujinkan!!!???

That should make a lot of sense, actually. Even the guy practicing bujinkan has to admit it's a rather silly idea.

"But there are plenty that can move faster than an expert shooter can redirect his aim (eg... reaction time of the shooter). "

Actually, there aren't plenty that can. You have totally lost your mind. It is simple geometry.

The gun is rotating on a lever affixed at the man's shoulder. If he rotates the gun's aim 2 feet to the right, he has actually covered a HUGE amount of distance, not 2 feet at all. Because if a man was 5 feet away from the barrel, he would have to run like, 9 feet.

The reason cops and shooters often miss each other at close range is purely based on a lack of practice with their weapon in dangerous environments. So they generally aren't even paying attention to where their gun is sighted. One must pay attention to hit his target.

My uncle, on the other hand, can hunt rabbit with a revolver. Try dodging his bullets - if the rabbit can't, I'm afraid you are going to have a much harder time - and the rabbit can't.

I was raised around weapons. You have to understand. They are not "WIN buttons". A guy doesn't just pull his trigger, and he suddenly wins.

But if that gunman has his head straight, and he truly intends to kill you, then it suddenly DOES become a "win button"

[Tant01]

Needless to say : No martial artist alive can move faster than a bullet can travel.

But there are plenty that can move faster than an expert shooter can redirect his aim (eg... reaction time of the shooter).

You only have to move 1/2 inch + Your body width to get out of the line of fire.

This is a martial art that is taught and used in actual combat dating back as long as guns have existed.

For a more modern style of this art see KRAV MAGA!

Wow, that's it?
You were right, needless to say. Krav Maga is FAR from FAILSAFE. While the THEORY may seem sound the practical application of the combative principles can be nulified by the most basic pistol training. (eg. retention)

If a gun is pressed into your body and you move the right distance plus 1/2 inch you'll still be bleeding from that big hole...

A professional competition shooter might use 300,000 rounds of ammo in a year. They shoot way better than I do. I seriously doubt any artist would be fool enough to try this live even against an amatuer like me...


You should read up on QK (Quick kill) and visit Bob Munden's website...

Krav MAGA... LOL


You kill me.

[bodhisattva]

Krav MAGA... LOL

HEY! If it's good enough for J-LO, then WHY NOT?!

[academian]

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Im not going to argue about this I know what I know! The techniques Do not have garuntees(sp?) Its always a gamble But what are the risk vs benefits Either you get shot for sure Or you attempt to execute a well rehearsed battle tested techinque and POSSIBLY avoid being shot. I like being prepared to take that risk if the need arises. Nothing to lose Everything to gain. Oh yea one more reference that is well documented Chuck Norris actually moved across a room from laying on a bed and kicked a gun out of the DA's hand before he could even pull the trigger This was done in an actual court case to prove to the jury that it could be done because the defendent shot someone in self defense That he believed was a martial artist. The dA allowed this display because he didnt believe it was possible. The gun demo. was done twice because the DA said he wasnt ready the first time so it was succesfully repeated (yes from a laying position he got up covered several feet and kicked the gun out of the Da's hand before he could react to squeese the trigger) Not just once but twice as a result of this demo The DA lost the case! He didnt need to dodge as he already had achieved a disarm before a shot was ever fired. THATS DOCUMENTED! And by the way When I was a kid used to hit rabbits with frisbee's (throwing star practice) I also did a guinness record search of bob munden (supposed record holder) and found no results. Just how fast is he??? I know martial artist that have disarms clocked at 1/12 of a second but thats about skill level not effectivness of technique which I think Is the issue here anyone care to reply?

[Tant01]

Im not going to argue about this I know what I know! ...


I... did a guinness record search of bob munden (supposed record holder) and found no results. Just how fast is he??? .....?

The fastest man that ever lived...

http://www.bob-munden.com/

[academian]

Ok

I have seen his site it is pretty impressive. And I have to admit that there is probally no point in attempting to dodge HIS bullets

[GREENTHINKS]

The Fastest Draw Is To Already Have It In Your Hand....

And The Best Gun For A Gun Fight Is The One You Got With You....

[Broadsword2004]

Maybe if you can make like Jim Carrey in "The Mask" when the mobster is trying to shoot him and he's dodging the bullets, you could survive a gun attack.

I think more what academian means is there are techniques where if the shooter is about to shoot at you, you can sort of move out of the way right before they pull the trigger so that as they shoot, they miss.

And then thus you can pull your gun and shoot them hopefully if you are quick enough.

I don't think these "gun dodging" techniques are meant to literally be used in the sense of someone pulls a gun on you and you start making like Jim Carrey in "The Mask" or anything like that.

But I remember watching a show about cops where they said one of the techniques they teach them is to step to the side as they draw their pistol so that the criminal may fire, but hopefully miss (if you step before the criminal pulls the trigger). Then you have your pistol drawn and can shoot them hopefully.

I dunno.

If all else fails, just make like Michael J. Fox in "Back to the Future," when he's got that gun pointed at him in the wild west, and he just starts dancing Michael Jackson to avoid the bullets

[GREENTHINKS]

There Is A Technique With A Lanyard And Someone Getting Your Handgun. It Is Not Just In Case You Drop It. If They Get Your Gun You Twist And Therefore Can Control The Aim Of The Weapon Somewhat.

[Tant01]

Instinct shooting or "point" shooting without actually bringing the weapon all the way up to your line of sight is the QK technique. It takes loads of practice to develope the muscle memory to hit your targets but most folks could learn it in a few days with modern tools and some training...

I shoot small moving targets for fun...

[bodhisattva]

I agree, it may be useful to learn and practice techniques for dealing with an armed man. But I would not turn to kata for those techniques, I would turn to actual practice with a live person with a small-sized, accurate, and PAINFUL paintball gun. Wear good goggles.

EVEN BETTER would be a powerful Air-Soft gun. Not one of the $20 plastic pieces of crap. I mean a really powerful, all metal, Air-Soft handgun. Even better.

Both of you will learn from this. He will learn to shoot a dodging, skilled opponent. You will learn how to get shot...and how to occasionally NOT get shot.. Which is the best thing to learn from such practice. If a guy pulls a gun on you, and it's do-or-die, then expect to be shot. That is your best protection to coming out alive, I believe. With determination and expectation, men have survived bullet wounds to come out the victor. Get shot unexpectedly, and you are for more likely to merely go into shock and die. "I'm shot I'm shot I'm shot I'm shot" is all you think...

I can't believe you can hit a rabbit with a frisbee. Unless it's some park/subdivision rabbit that quit paying attention to human's many years ago. If you can, I say go join a professional frisbee team, they have been waiting for you.

Also, the DA is probably not very familiar with handguns. He spent most of his life studying law from sunup to sundown (and longer), and the rest of his life he spends in courtrooms and at the office, usually from dawn to dusk, as well.

That said, I'd like to see how Chuck does this. He's quite an athlete, he's quite a figher, and I'd be darned interested to see him do it with my own eyes.

Warmest Regards

[academian]

They were wild jack rabbits. Its not that hard. The air soft guns are the ones that I practice with its not really that hard just like any thing else it takes lots of practice. I don't expect anyone here to believe me, no one else does until I show them. like I was telling my mother that I could break a 2x6x12 board with one finger she didnt believe me. So I showed her and she said "I seen it with my own eyes but I still cant hardly believe it. It just seems so impossible". So i guess seeing is believing in some cases.

[GREENTHINKS]

I Didn't Know They Made 2x6's Out Of Balsa Wood!

[academian]

No balsa Here !