Aikido vs boxing

[jubaji]

I think this because I have seen it used and have used it myself with great success.

You have done exactly that when a competent boxer threw a jab?

[tntma]

unfortunately, i do not have any videos at this time. I will look for some though. Yes I have used this move against a jab with much success. The key to this technique is timming.
Tim

[Tom Yum]

The key to this technique is timming.

Footwork too?

A boxers jab is so quick sometimes the only thing you can really do is block it. If you're really quick you can slip it.

Keep in mind a boxer isn't going to throw a jab and just keep his arm out. The jabbing arm is coming back in light and as quick as it snapped out.

[jubaji]

unfortunately, i do not have any videos at this time. I will look for some though. Yes I have used this move against a jab with much success. The key to this technique is timming.
Tim

Well, let me know when you have the video. I am highly disinclined to accept your claims at this time.

[Jab223]

I have studied Aikido (NIhon Goshin) for about 4 years, what people dont understand is Aikido has evolved over time just like any other art, most Aikido schools do teach strikes my Sensei is a black belt in Kenpo so we do alot of striking he is also ranked in BJJ so we do ground work, people have to get this vision of all the ushebia(?) passive aikido out of their heads those days are over!!! and as far as a Boxer, if a person trained in Aikido payed attention to his first lesson he would use what is called mai-ae(spelling) distance, when you keep this distance you force a boxer or any striker to throw those big haymakers in stead of those quick jabs.

[jubaji]

I have studied Aikido (NIhon Goshin) for about 4 years, what people dont understand is Aikido has evolved over time just like any other art, most Aikido schools do teach strikes my Sensei is a black belt in Kenpo so we do alot of striking he is also ranked in BJJ so we do ground work, people have to get this vision of all the ushebia(?) passive aikido out of their heads those days are over!!! and as far as a Boxer, if a person trained in Aikido payed attention to his first lesson he would use what is called mai-ae(spelling) distance, when you keep this distance you force a boxer or any striker to throw those big haymakers in stead of those quick jabs.

"force"? That's a big assumption. And you think boxers don't also consider distance?

[kljohnson]

do you have any footage of a boxer winning an exchange with an akidoka?

[pstevens]

do you have any footage of a boxer winning an exchange with an akidoka?

One doesn't exist, because no aikido person in their right mind would spar against a boxer... Besides, we already know the outcome of such an encounter... The boxer would beat the aikido guy to a pulp.

It has to do with training methods, intensity and delivery system.

Boxers are well-conditioned and train very hard in a system that is direct and objective. In contrast, aikido guys spend most of their time meditating, doing break falls and engaging in hypothetical attacks and counters.

[tntma]

One doesn't exist, because no aikido person in their right mind would spar against a boxer... Besides, we already know the outcome of such an encounter... The boxer would beat the aikido guy to a pulp.

It has to do with training methods, intensity and delivery system.

Boxers are well-conditioned and train very hard in a system that is direct and objective. In contrast, aikido guys spend most of their time meditating, doing break falls and engaging in hypothetical attacks and counters.

if no such video exists, then how can you make an ignorant statement like that. To be perfectly honest, i dont think the boxer would have a chance.
Aikido is used for self defense, and wold not strike first. With the proper distancing and footwork, the boxer would get frustrated, not being able to hit him, and come in with a power shot, and be taken down. You may not see any such match because most GOOD aikidoists do not compete, as to honor the founder. Not only that, but the moves that are learned are most often fatal moves, used for SELF-DEFENSE, not trying to prove that they are tough.

As far as the training goes, not all aikido schools train the way you mentioned. There are some that train hard, sparr, and practice their moves in life like situations.
Tim

[JkD187]

if no such video exists, then how can you make an ignorant statement like that. To be perfectly honest, i dont think the boxer would have a chance.
Aikido is used for self defense, and wold not strike first. With the proper distancing and footwork, the boxer would get frustrated, not being able to hit him, and come in with a power shot, and be taken down. You may not see any such match because most GOOD aikidoists do not compete, as to honor the founder. Not only that, but the moves that are learned are most often fatal moves, used for SELF-DEFENSE, not trying to prove that they are tough.

As far as the training goes, not all aikido schools train the way you mentioned. There are some that train hard, sparr, and practice their moves in life like situations.
Tim

From what you posted earlier that Akido tech would never work against a decent boxer with a good jab.Everyone is entitled to their opinion but boxing is a proven style that many fighters have used on the street...in the ring...cage etc etc...we know boxing works under pressure...no one has ever seen akido work against anything other then another akido fighter who is being a good uke and going along with the motions...they do not have the skill to compete with a boxer.Pulling off a tech against an uke smoothly and actually sparring full contact are very very different.....akido people do not have the same exp to know how to make their techs work under stress.

[jubaji]

if no such video exists, then how can you make an ignorant statement like that. To be perfectly honest, i dont think the boxer would have a chance. Aikido is used for self defense, and wold not strike first. With the proper distancing and footwork, the boxer would get frustrated, not being able to hit him, and come in with a power shot, and be taken down. You may not see any such match because most GOOD aikidoists do not compete, as to honor the founder. Not only that, but the moves that are learned are most often fatal moves, used for SELF-DEFENSE, not trying to prove that they are tough.

As far as the training goes, not all aikido schools train the way you mentioned. There are some that train hard, sparr, and practice their moves in life like situations.
Tim

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[The_Judo_Jibboo]

if no such video exists, then how can you make an ignorant statement like that. To be perfectly honest, i dont think the boxer would have a chance.
Aikido is used for self defense, and wold not strike first. With the proper distancing and footwork, the boxer would get frustrated, not being able to hit him, and come in with a power shot, and be taken down. You may not see any such match because most GOOD aikidoists do not compete, as to honor the founder. Not only that, but the moves that are learned are most often fatal moves, used for SELF-DEFENSE, not trying to prove that they are tough.

As far as the training goes, not all aikido schools train the way you mentioned. There are some that train hard, sparr, and practice their moves in life like situations.
Tim

Aikido teaches fatal moves? i've only done it for a couple months but i've also read O Sensei's The Art of Peace and his dokas, and i don't believe there could be anything more against the philosophy of Aikido than a technique meant to be fatal. I'm sure the style Ueshiba took much of his style from, Daito Ryu Aikijutsu, had more than a few fatal techniques, and the adapted forms of those in Aikido could probably seriously injure someone, but i think any Aikido instructer who teaches a fatal move is departing from the meaning of Aikido.

[kljohnson]

Not fatal? Aikido , though meant for peace, can be quite dangerous. O-sensie did believe in peace and harmony, when everyone was in cooperation. When cooperation is broke, then there is chaos. that is when the moves become more painful, dangerous or even fatal.

[tntma]

just because aikido was meant for peace, does not mean that its not dangerous. Most of the techniques, when done with proper technique, speed, and footwork can be quite effective and dangerous, especailly with a violent uke. In aikido, the violent energy of the attacker is redirected back onto the attacker, using the violent energy against the assailant. There is no point in arguing this anymore. You few people that bash aikido will believe what you want, the rest of us will believe the truth. Though it does take a long time to effectivly learn, aikido is a strong and powerful art.

Not fatal? Aikido , though meant for peace, can be quite dangerous. O-sensie did believe in peace and harmony, when everyone was in cooperation. When cooperation is broke, then there is chaos. that is when the moves become more painful, dangerous or even fatal.

excellent point

I dont understand all the martial arts bashing in general. If you wanted to shoot someone, it doesnt matter if you use a .9mm or a .45mm. Both will get the job done. Martial arts are different for everyone. Just because you dont like or dont understand an art, doesnt make it anyless useful or effective as YOUR art, or anyone elses. I respect all arts, old and new, and have trained in various arts. Some I liked, and some I did not find helped me. this does not make these arts less effective, just not right for me.

[jubaji]

You few people that bash aikido will believe what you want, the rest of us will believe the truth. .

LOL

Gee, can't argue with that!