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no it's more like this
kung fu
flowers,
bushes
pretty shrubs
all non kung fu
weed killer
and plant destroyer
owned
kung fu
flowers,
bushes
pretty shrubs
all non kung fu
weed killer
and plant destroyer
owned
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Fighters of different "races" (I'm just using that term for this statement) also master techniques too which override physical strenght. Also, like I said, I was really fuding that argument. I just mean that, IF it could be proven that some groups of people tend to be stronger than others, that would probably be why. If you look at Kenyan marathon runners, they have the biggest lungs of all people. Because they live in an area with less oxygen then most others. Oh and IPON, I meant the white people of like Russia and Ukraine. There are white people of those countries. Like that actress from the movie "Resident Evil" who is from the Ukraine. Or that Russian gymnast, I forget her name, it sounds like Spetslana Horkina (not spelled that way though). But like you all said, let's drop that now.
Now, Sherwinc, A WORLD-WAR II FIGHTER PLANE DID NOT TAKE 1 HOUR TO LEARN HOW TO FLY!!!!!!! Where on Earth did you get that idea!?! If anything, the older planes were harder to fly then the newer ones. Everything was manual. These days, the planes aren't really harder to fly because of physical flying skill, they're harder to fly because of all the equipment and electronics and computers in them. And you have to know WTF you're doing in them. The old planes were'nt nearly as sophisticated, but were not at all easy to fly or able to be learned in 1-hour.
Jeez, the whole reason the German Luftwaffe started losing so much was because A) the U.S. had a superior fighter plane and radar, but also 2) GERMANY STARTED RUNNING SHORT OF PILOTS. You think if you could have learned to fly a WWII plane in 1 hour, that the German luftwaffe would have run short of pilots so fast??
Besides, everyone has argued already, kung fu is not one art. It is multiple arts. One kung fu art on its own is limited. You act like kung fu is one huge art full of myriad techniques. It is not. It is individual arts. And individually, those arts, when in the face of other individual artforms, are usually equal or less than efficient.
And non-kung fu is very, very, very myriad. The Filipino fighting arts are some of the most varied and myriad known to humans. And the fighting arts of the Medieval knights were also extremely varied, they are just much lesser-known then kung fu.Comment
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not all non-kungfu are 'ToraTora WWII planes' (or Zeros as the rest of the world calls them).
Some non-kungfu fighters and fighting systems (take senshido for example) are more like F22 Raptors, against whom a Tomcat doesn't stand a chance (just illustrating a point, I don't want to get into fighter planes).
Economy of motion, effectiveness of tactics are all up for debate nowadays, nothing is held 'sacred' in the interests of effectiveness and efficiency. Whether that's good or bad really doesn't matter, if you don't want to move from tradition, good on you.
It remains that the martial arts are coalescing into a martial science (thanks in no small part to Bruce Lee) through evolution and focus on the need for a decisive end to a confrontation.
I fail to see how knowing the 'praying mantis' form perfectly down to the last toe placement will achieve that end, and I'm obviously not alone.Comment
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Shasan,
What about more than 1 opponent?!Comment
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WrongA) the U.S. had a superior fighter plane
The germans had the best fighter jet in WWII: Me 262... this plane was the first turbojet ever used in battle.... but there weren't enough and they were wrongly used...
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What about it? I'm no expert, but I would think the same arguments apply.Originally posted by bbbb
Having said that, i DO feel a little silly saying "TMA this, TMA that"... suppose I'm a MMA or JKD kind of guy and knocked an attacker out with a TKD style round-house kick... now was that TMA or not?Comment
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if your a jkd guy and you used a tkd kick, then you did jkd. that specific concept of that technique was useful to you. if your a mixed martial artist, then i suppose it would still be considered a tkd technique, but if it works, forget the name, IT WORKED!Originally posted by shasanComment
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Okay Krys, but I mean in general, the U.S. had, overall, the better fighter aircraft. In terms of the plane the Germans used most of the time against the plane that the U.S. used most of the time, the U.S. plane was superior. The Germans also had a rocket fighter plane too, but it flew way too fast for any pilot of the time to control, plus it ran out of fuel too fast (I think).
Actually, at the moment, the U.S.'s current mainline fighter plane (the F-15) is not the best. The Russian Su-27 plane (I may have the number wrong, but it's a Sukhoi something) is far superior. The reason the U.S. could still maintain air dominance though is because we have way more F-15s then they have Sukhois. The F-22 Raptor is supposed to fix this problem, if they ever let it come into production.
Oh, the woes of $$$ problems. Imagine all the awesome aircraft we could have if the military had more money!Comment
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F18(WingChun), F14(TanTui), F22Raptor(TigerStyle), F15(TaiChi), etc..... they are all different types of KungFu and each of them have their own respective advantages and disadvantages....Originally posted by HandtoHand
compare to:
a ToraTora WWII is a type of Non-KungFu arts cause there are LESS OPTIONS, LESS SCIENTIFIC TECHNIQUES, LESS TIME TO LEARN HOW TO FLY, LESS EFFECTIVITY OF WEAPONRY, BASICS BASICS AND ALL BASICS.....
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i am just do comparing this toys so that it is easier for us to understand that techniques(plenty of options) will surely have an advantages in a martial arts...... but if a Big versus Small fighter - the Big fighter will probably win even thou he has a less techniques compare a Small fighter who knows many techniques.......
try to think about it.....Comment
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i remember my kungfu instructor said to us.....Originally posted by Nothingness
he said that This ChiDianBun KungFu and NgoChoKun KungFu are not a well-known kind of kungfu art..... cause these two arts traveled from China - to HongKong - To Manila (in a straight lined path) and stop there in KongHan KungFu School and BengKiam KungFu School....... so, these two KungFu arts are not exposed to the public....... so, it is one of the best ADVANTAGES.....
he also said that AngKa KungFu and NgoChoKun KungFu, they are both invented on the same closed years...... and..... according to my instructor:
1. AngKa KungFu travels from China to HongKong then spread to whole world and a very popular Shaolin arts.....
while....
2. NgoChoKun KungFu travels in a straight path/line..... and stopped in Manila.....
expecting unexpected......
here in defend.net, here i know that NgoChoKun is already spread thru out the whole world......Comment
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I think that the main problem, if one want to market a style the style has to be adjusted according to the law of economics. Demand & supply, as well as to the needs of the main stream.
NCK doesnot have a professional program that would make it an attractive career choice.Comment
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If you inquire carefully, majority of NCK practicioners here are related to Southeast Asia one way or another. In the Philiphines, most are tied to Kong Han or Beng Kiam. In Malaysia, Chee Kim Tong. In Indonesia, Lo Ban Teng and Liem Tjoei Kang.
I don't think NCK is for everyone. People would lose interests easily. Remember how painful it was when we started with Sam Chien and nothing but Sam Chien?Comment
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That is true becuase the original survivors of ngo cho kun I think 4 or 5 of them all fled to south east asia during the civil war & communist take over of China. And ever since NCK training has always been preserve. But in areas like in Europe & the USA NCK has adjusted program to make it more attractive to the locals there.Originally posted by Nothingness
That`s why when wu shu was introduce during the 80`s many NCK people defected to it not becuase it was a more effective fighting form but becuase it was a more attractive form with all its flowery movements of acrobatic & gymnastic routines. Also it was being finance & marketed by the Chinese goverment it was a propaganda tool for them.
I believe the "modern" curriculum of NCK will look something like this:
Level I ( white sash or belt ) = sam chien, 5 technique training, two person drill, simple workouts like jumping jack, push ups, sit ups, kicking, punching & stretching. Also other activities like outings, camping, etc.
Level II ( white sash or belt two strip ) = sam chien, tien te chien, two person sam chien drill, 10 technique drilling & applications, plus work outs... kick punch combination, punch kick combination.
What turn new students off specially the young ones or the hyper athletic ones is there lack of understanding & pateince. They like to be able to do stuff like what they see in the movies. Their misconception that kung fu is wu shu.
That why it is important to mix nck training with application training, two person drill, sparing & out door activitties.
I can say many more but for now this is it.Comment
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