TKD Master who found that tkd does not teach fighting

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Posting

I figured that because you don't have any info listed, maybe you were embarrased or something. I train at jkd unlimited under Burton Richardson. The websight is www.jkdunlimited.com, check it out. The invite still stands.

[koto_ryu]

hey koto, how bout not letting him get u in that position in the first place??? i dont know but its up to u. you know the reason why u got put in that position, coz u probably try cross training with 10 different styles. and they probably all contradict each other. how bout first becoming proficent in 1 style. instead of studing heaps and being so so at many. why do u think pure breads are so exp. and mongrels so cheap?

Actually, I only train in one style right now, so bad assumption on your part And it's relatively easy to get someone in that position. After you throw someone to the ground face first, it's easy to step over them, grab their neck, then proceed to lock them up. It's nothing fancy, just old catch-as-catch-can wrestling, but it is effective.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Point of view!

Hey, Koto_ryu, I think that comment came from someone just starting their first art, don't you remember, they know everything!
Mahalo, Jeremy

[Studiobuddy]

body grapevine with the ankles crossed, just like in greco-roman wrestling. Very painful and obviously, don't let someone put it on you, but once it's locked in, there's not a lot you can do but tap, then see a chiropractor.
Mahalo, Jeremy

omg those grapevines hurt like hell!!

i remember last year a dude named altman on the wrestling team got me into one of these during a wrestle off for spots on varsity

anyways he rammed my ass to the ground fast and pulled this trick out, it was hell!!! feels like there ripping u apart!!!

[koto_ryu]

The move you have described doesn’t even make sense, how does your opponent manage to have enough weight on your hand to keep it pinned whilst maintaining enough balance to lock up your other arm with his knee?????? Besides that fact it sounds like you were giving out horsy rides before he made u. If you could enlighten me as to exactly what move you were trying to accomplish to allow yourself to end up on all 4s with a guy straddling you I may be able to offer some advice on how to avoid this predicament in future. Im not cocky im just self assured.

Simple. You stomp on the guy's hand with one foot and shift the other leg back some so his arm is pressed up against his body at the elbow. You have that point locked up now so all he can do is flail about his arm. We were practicing takedowns and submissions on each other and he used an arm drag to get behind me, shot his left arm around my waist, right under my crotch, locked hands, and piledrived me into the mat (which does not tickle) then he stepped over to me, locked me up, and put me in a camel clutch.

It's a valid submission move used many times throughout history: the old carnival wrestlers ("hookers") had it in their repertoire and a few wrestling scenes painted on ancient Greek vases have the exact same move. Wrestling's been around for quite some time, and there's lots of finishing holds people that are simple yet brutally effective. An old testimonial from feudal England had two knights who were fighting with lances and got knocked off their horses. The two ended up in a wrestling match and the winner castrated his opponent with his bare hands. No real technique involved there, just grab and yank Just because it wasn't schemed up by a little Japanese guy or a Brazilian with a funny haircut doesn't mean it's useless

[koto_ryu]

Jeremy. Im not questioning the legit wrestlers man no doubt they are skilled but what Koto is talking about is rubbish, and perhaps the sprouting that needs to happen here is your pubes, come back when your balls have dropped.

Kids these days

[medic06]

I figured that because you don't have any info listed, maybe you were embarrased or something. I train at jkd unlimited under Burton Richardson. The websight is www.jkdunlimited.com, check it out. The invite still stands.

He problably has no idea who Burton Richardson is. . . .
poor fella. . . . .

[koto_ryu]

omg those grapevines hurt like hell!!

i remember last year a dude named altman on the wrestling team got me into one of these during a wrestle off for spots on varsity

anyways he rammed my ass to the ground fast and pulled this trick out, it was hell!!! feels like there ripping u apart!!!

Yeah, grapevines are no fun when you're caught in em A good old surfboard can bring a grown man to tears as well when you do it right. Feels like your chest and shoulders are being torn in half

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Yup!

once your back is cranked, it's hard to pop out and roll. Most people don't have the strenth in there arms thatit takes to bridge from it, and without that, a gramby roll is imposible.
Mahalo, Jeremy

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Shocking

He problably has no idea who Burton Richardson is. . . .
poor fella. . . . .

He's in for a real suprise, especially if he checks out the websight and learns that BJ Penn, Rigan Machado, Chaburo Varisimo, And Egan Inoue are his grappling partners. Hawaii has been voted the best place in the world for ma's the last 12 years in a row, from every major mag. and it's the 2nd best for bjj-submission wrestling-vale tudo, right behind brazil.

[koto_ryu]

He's in for a real suprise, especially if he checks out the websight and learns that BJ Penn, Rigan Machado, Chaburo Varisimo, And Egan Inoue are his grappling partners. Hawaii has been voted the best place in the world for ma's the last 12 years in a row, from every major mag. and it's the 2nd best for bjj-submission wrestling-vale tudo, right behind brazil.

I met Egan's brother Enson once when I was stationed at Camp Schwab for a time, he's a helluva nice guy. Gave me some encouraging words at one of my kickboxing matches, kept me motivated for months Yeah, Burton's the real deal, he has a lot of respect in my book. I have dozens of his articles taken from magazines and filed away due to its contents. I like how the man thinks

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Burton

I couldn't believe that I have the oppertunity to train at his school. When I found out I was moving to Hawaii (pcs move) I did a web search to see what schools were in the area. I made a list of 5 with the intention of checking them all out, with Burton's being #1. I still haven't been anywhere else. I have never met anyone at his level with no ego or attitude at all before. And I found it really funny that with this being my first non-traditional jkd school, I didn't get the empty your cup so we can fill it up line, that I've gotten at almost every other place I've been. Burton allows his students the freedom to experiment with techniques and add modifications or leave things out of drills that don't work for you. I was expecting to be right in line with what the class was doing (really small, usually 6-10 people) but every class I see, there's something brand new and I find myself thinking, man, why didn't I think of that before.

[PopItandLockIt]

Kids these days

KOTO dont tell me you didnt get a laugh out of the sprouting pubes post grandad

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Funny

It was good, I'll give you that. I'm waiting for mine to start turning grey. It's happening everywhere else!

[electrorok]

Hey, Koto_ryu, I think that comment came from someone just starting their first art, don't you remember, they know everything!
Mahalo, Jeremy

hey jeremy, sorry mate. Man that rickson gracie is such a beginner. i mean he did only do 1 style. man does he have so much to learn in life. i feel sorry for him sometimes.
thanks man. i think i might sleep upside down tonight coz all my life ive been so stupid and slept the right way up.
koto, man u have obviously studied a no. of styles. what do u do if 1 style tells u to punch like this coz it can generate the most power, but then another style say u should punch like this coz this generates the most power??