The Tae Kwon Do Thread... Your thoughts.

[Tom Yum]

If you've ever been kneed in the body, I can understand why. MT training is tough.

[Ghost]

Yes, some dont like the pads in amatuer but its normal.

Amatuer is for beginners only though.

[Tom Yum]

Amateur fighting is tough. Its like a sprint event in track & field because you only have 3 or 4 rounds. You can still get hurt with head gear and even get KOd, but you can't get sliced open like what happens in pro bouts.

Pro muay thai is another world. I'll be happy watching the F-14 from ring side or tv rather than across the ring. Very dangerous.

[Ghost]

amatuer is 3 X1.5 min pro is 3 X 5 min.
You cant do more than that.

[Tom Yum]

Not allways that format. You can fight pro for more than 3 rounds. K1 being the example.

[Ghost]

Sorry pro was meant to be 5 X 3 mins

[eXcessiveForce]

Remember I do not train for the ring. I don't care about the ring. I work for self defense. If I am blocking it means I am doing something wrong. Hopefully after the first block I am engaged and I am beating the hell out of my oppenent. Once engaged I should be doing most if not all of the hitting.
Musashi from book of five rings speaks of this.
You cannot throw effective strikes if I am pummeling you to death. You still must be able to block and you still must have good defense when needed but if you are spending more energy on blocking you are getting hit too much.
A fight usually is less than a minute after that is is somebody getting the crap beat out of them.
The more you block the more you get it. The more you attack the less you get hit. That's usually how it works. In the ring you probably would end up running out of gas over the time of a fight but that isn't as much of a concern in self defense.

As for shin blocks. Shin blocks have always been in TKD. The chamber for a front kick is a shin block, The chamber for a round kick is a knee strike. etc. And early on my students hated kicking at me because they would get their legs destroyed and I wouldn't even have a mark. But they too know have conditioned shins and are willing to trade shins. They are not as effective against people with conditioned shins. They still work but they are not as effective. Luckily in real self defense most people do not have conditioned shins.

As for not taking a hit. I have had the nerve severed in my face that controls sensation. It took over 6 months for it to grow back so that I could feel half of my face.

I don't care much about bleeding from a round kick. That is surface damage. I have knocked people off the ground over 10 feet with my side kicks while they held a striking shield and still left giant brusies on their chests. Side kicks and roundkicks are my favorite as far as kicks go. Although i've had good results with all of the basic kicks.

[falcon3624]

If you trained for self-defense you would find something besides TKD.

[eXcessiveForce]

I've trained in many things.

[Ghost]

The nerve getting damaged on your face is irrelevant.

Im talking about learning to take a beating, you might as well have had a car crash or fallen off a bike, a one off accident does not equal conditioning.

Also, I agree that to win the fight you need to be doing most of the hitting but i see no need to be hit in the process.

You are assuming that you will be much more determined and/or more skillful than your opponent.

This is an assumption i would not like to make, if the other guy wants to win as much as you and is throwing as much as he can as well then you had better have good defence.

The way to win the fight with regards to defence and attack is this.

HIT AND DONT GET HIT. (to do this you need to attack alot BUT you need to defend everything that comes your way)

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I like to follow the philosophy of letting the opponent throw the first strike. The reason for this is to estimate your opponent's strength and ability to take a hit. If you were to strike first throwing everything you've got and throwing as many punchesas you can, it could turn out that he is a good blocker, dodger, or hit taker. Then you would've used up all your energy while he stays fresh and able to pound you to the ground with ease since you have no strength left to block or dodge.

[Thai Bri]

I hope the next guy I fight is like you. Like many people I hit hard enough to knock someone out. Letting me get the first blow is the same as letting me get the last. Thank you.

[SilverWolf33]

In my kung fu class we mix Wing Chun with Muay Thai so that it will be effective in all ranges, but my problem is that one of my classmates there who is a senior student by about a year and a half will relentlessly pummell me from the beggining and I can't even block let alone put up a good offense.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by SilverWolf33
In my kung fu class we mix Wing Chun with Muay Thai so that it will be effective in all ranges, but my problem is that one of my classmates there who is a senior student by about a year and a half will relentlessly pummell me from the beggining and I can't even block let alone put up a good offense.

to quote the movie Friday:

"Young man you just got knock the f#@k out!!!!"

[SilverWolf33]

lol, too true, but being the MA expert, do you have any advice on how to avoid this?