Tire of Judo vs BJJ threads...

[pstevens]

Here's an idea for you BJJ guys who have 2 years of experience rolling on the mat.

1) Go to a Geoff Thompson or Carl Cestari affiliated seminar. You'll be shown that some BJJ moves will get you killed on the streets.

2) Go to an NHB seminar or training session.... You will also be told that moves in sport BJJ will get you killed in NHB.

The reasons are obvious. In sport BJJ: You don't safeguard your head. You rest more, because the pace is slow at times. You are strategizing as you roll and sometimes your head isn't even there. Lastly, the techniques don't compensate for strikes to your vital organs.

So for guys like ronson, please enlighten me on how this all translates into being able to beat up just about anyone.

[jubaji]

Please explain to me how someone goes from getting on their knees on a mat, shaking hands with another classmate and then engaging in a friendly roll translates into a some pyscho who attacks you without warning while you're not looking? If you had any inkling of self-defense, you would have addressed this... I know guys who have been taking 2 lessons a week for the past 5 years... They're great grapplers. Some guys, like myself, can't take a punch. In 7 years of BJJ, I DID NOT learn: how to mentally deal with a real life-threatening situation. Diagnosis of a street fight and assault. How to recognize, react to or subdue an altercation. .

Everything comes back to the fact that you can't fight for shit. You seem to want to find some universal truth in your personal shortcomings.

[Nothingness]

While in the beginning training for sports competition is similar with training for self-defense, one needs to choose one of the path in a more advanced stage. Training for sports competition will grow you a bad habit of getting the rules protecting you (i.e. no punching, no biting, etc.).

On the other side of the coin, training for streets will get you disqualified in a competition.

[Ronson]

pstevens, relax and catch your breath...

BJJ is not the ultimate and it alone won't save you in a fight 100% of the time. And BJJ won't teach you everything you have to know about fighting and the fighter's mentality. I know that, everyone knows that. All's I know is that BJJ, integrated with my other skills and personal attributes makes me a better fighter and a alot more confident - not arrogant in my everyday dealings (I sure would be a hell of alot worse off without it).

Here's your problem: You see the world (and your BJJ training) as Black and White. Just because you are incapable of integrating/transitioning your BJJ skills into your fighting arsenal doesn't mean no one else can. News Flash buddy, pstevens is NOT the litmus test for everyone to judge the effective of their MA. Even though I do BJJ, I still know that in a street fight anything goes from weapons, multiples, along with all the ranges of fighting. As soon as you figure out and accept that BJJ is not restrictive in nature, but merely a tool, the better you will be.

Dude, you don't have to lecture me on all the scenarios for a street fight/attack. But where are all these "assailants" from behind and "sucker punchers" coming from? Yeah it happens, but if you have the ability to assess your environment and have the common sense to avoid potential dangerous situations, you drastically limit dangers to yourself (things I learned in life general, not BJJ). Don't go to places where you have enemies - if they are there, leave or keep "6" on them at all times. And for BJJ's sake (hahaha), don't let anyone get close enough to sucker punch you (if you have any inkling the person doesn't like you). There is safety in numbers (but if you conduct yourself in everyday life like the way you post, then you probably don't have any stand-up guys to call friends - ouchhh, sorry that was mean...really am sorry) and oh, stay away from dark alleys too.

Dude you are seriously a pussy (I hate to use this derogatory term, but the shoe fits like a MO-FO) . Even in your posts you give off a huge pussy, "victimize me" kind of vibe. I'm not saying you have to walk around like your shite don't stink or a bad-a$$. It's called an assertive, confident swagger. Predators are adept at sensing weakness or "fresh meat" and will always go for the weak "mark" and easy score. So walk tall, keep your chin up and eyes forward buddy.

Seriously, why I let you suck me into your threads is a mystery to me. So I'm now cutting myself off from responding to your threads and will laugh and curse you privately in the safety of my own home because assailants and sucker punchers are everywhere!.

[Nothingness]

May I invite you all for a cup of tea to my own worthless thread?

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?t=12607

We need some enlightening comments there

[Jaguar Wong]

Hey Jaguar Wong thanks for the link - when I quoted "Cobra-Kai," it was a "karate Kid" reference. In fact I do remember hearing about it in Vegas. I apologize for the confusion .

Well there wasn't any confusion. I think we all knew you were making a Karate Kid reference . I just thought it was funny to see "Cobra Kai BJJers" mentioned, since Cobra Kai Jiu Jitsu named their school after the famed Karate bad boys from the Karate Kid. I think it was supposed to be a light-hearted temporary name, but everyone seems to like it.

[pstevens]

pstevens, relax and catch your breath...

BJJ is not the ultimate and it alone won't save you in a fight 100% of the time. And BJJ won't teach you everything you have to know about fighting and the fighter's mentality. I know that, everyone knows that. All's I know is that BJJ, integrated with my other skills and personal attributes makes me a better fighter and a alot more confident - not arrogant in my everyday dealings (I sure would be a hell of alot worse off without it).

Exactly... It's a matter of personal attributes... This is your pathetic way of admitting now that just because one wears a belt, doesn't mean they can fight.

Here's your problem: You see the world (and your BJJ training) as Black and White. Just because you are incapable of integrating/transitioning your BJJ skills into your fighting arsenal doesn't mean no one else can. News Flash buddy, pstevens is NOT the litmus test for everyone to judge the effective of their MA. Even though I do BJJ, I still know that in a street fight anything goes from weapons, multiples, along with all the ranges of fighting. As soon as you figure out and accept that BJJ is not restrictive in nature, but merely a tool, the better you will be.

I'm not the one with a problem, you are... That I know my limitations as a martial artist is my perogative, not yours. Here's an even bigger news flash: YOU'RE NOT THE LITMUS FOR ANYTHING EITHER. So all that says is that you have an opinion that isn't validated.... Please again: PROVE TO ME THAT WEARING A BLUE BELT IN BJJ MAKES YOU CAPABLE OF KICKING ASS IN A STREET FIGHT. So far, you haven't provided a shred of evidence. Come on then, I dare you.

Dude, you don't have to lecture me on all the scenarios for a street fight/attack. But where are all these "assailants" from behind and "sucker punchers" coming from? Yeah it happens, but if you have the ability to assess your environment and have the common sense to avoid potential dangerous situations, you drastically limit dangers to yourself (things I learned in life general, not BJJ). Don't go to places where you have enemies - if they are there, leave or keep "6" on them at all times. And for BJJ's sake (hahaha), don't let anyone get close enough to sucker punch you (if you have any inkling the person doesn't like you). There is safety in numbers (but if you conduct yourself in everyday life like the way you post, then you probably don't have any stand-up guys to call friends - ouchhh, sorry that was mean...really am sorry) and oh, stay away from dark alleys too.

Oh please, now you're a self-defense expert too?!... Gimme a break, tool. I'm beginning to think you're the one without a friend... You sound pathetically paranoid of the world. Most people go about their lives without worrying about those types of things... It's no wonder your a mess.

Dude you are seriously a pussy (I hate to use this derogatory term, but the shoe fits like a MO-FO) . Even in your posts you give off a huge pussy, "victimize me" kind of vibe. I'm not saying you have to walk around like your shite don't stink or a bad-a$$. It's called an assertive, confident swagger. Predators are adept at sensing weakness or "fresh meat" and will always go for the weak "mark" and easy score. So walk tall, keep your chin up and eyes forward buddy.

I guess that would make you a "C-U-N-T." I can smell your stink from where I'm at.... And it smells like you don't know jack shiet about what you're talking about... So far, you've manage to PROVE NOTHING... Where's the intellectualism you were claiming? Nice try, but you're NOT smart... Live with it.

Seriously, why I let you suck me into your threads is a mystery to me. So I'm now cutting myself off from responding to your threads and will laugh and curse you privately in the safety of my own home because assailants and sucker punchers are everywhere!.

Nice try, but we all know the real reason... You can't handle the debate, since you've got nothing. Seriously, what have you proven, except that you THINK you're a badass. It's a TKO and I win... Ronson is out cold.... But we already knew that was coming.

[pstevens]

Everything comes back to the fact that you can't fight for shit. You seem to want to find some universal truth in your personal shortcomings.

Seriously dude, I know your mom's a whore, but I'm not your father.... Oh, and I've already admitted that I can't fight... So what?! The only shortcoming here seems to be your lack of thinking power.

[jubaji]

Seriously dude, I know your mom's a whore, but I'm not your father.... Oh, and I've already admitted that I can't fight... So what?! The only shortcoming here seems to be your lack of thinking power.

You just get more and more clever with each post! Lying in the street getting your head kicked in must have boosted your IQ somehow.

[Tant01]

Everything comes back to the fact that you can't fight for shit. You seem to want to find some universal truth in your personal shortcomings.

This may or may not be the case, I don't know the guy but he has a valid point about sport grappling. BJJ is Judo is sport, Jujitsu is the root system but the combative application and weapons are gone. Throw a little knife into your game and see who comes out on top.

Going to the ground has a certain permanance to it. You give up a good deal of mobility lying on your back.

[Tant01]

Can you provide the link? I have been searching on goolgle for his site but I couldn't find it. Besides that I think I have a few techniques that are not part of judo that are a part of bjj. I think Gene Simco also tells how it is http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/news_archive_0603.shtml The one thing I disagree with is that judo being a sportive style. It was meant for sf but the Olympics changed that.

He has no website that I know of. He does post occasionally on a couple of AOL message boards.

[wardancer]

Which belt division did they enter and what was there judo rank? Did they win anything?

Hi, CKD
That was a long tournament, it went on for hours.
But the Judo dude I notice was a BB Judo but fighting in the BJJ blue belt section and he was wearing a blue belt. But one of his supporter told me he was a New Zealand BB Judo fighting in the US (translate as a 'competitive' dude). He won the blue belt final. Our blue belt team is not wel represented at the moment. Our Club is 2 years old, it is going a few years before we can compete at a serious level, I think! Either, our blue belts have been sleeping too much and not training enough!
A bit unfair, but that the BJJ standard/category he fought, so be it!
There was another Judo dude, he fought in the white belt, I suspect he was a BB Judo also. But he lost around the quarter final, i think.
I guess they did want to put their reputation on the line by figthing at the BB level under BJJ rules.
BJJ: It is a 'young' sport for us in New Zealand. It was our first BJJ tournament, so I cannot be to judgemental of the participants.
The fact that Judokas participate in our sport/BJJ rules is a good.
Maybe, next time we will a more 'even' standard of competition.
Who knows?

[CKD]

He has no website that I know of. He does post occasionally on a couple of AOL message boards.

So where is the link to the challenge to find a technique not found in judo but is in BJJ.

[CKD]

Hi, CKD
That was a long tournament, it went on for hours.
But the Judo dude I notice was a BB Judo but fighting in the BJJ blue belt section and he was wearing a blue belt. But one of his supporter told me he was a New Zealand BB Judo fighting in the US (translate as a 'competitive' dude). He won the blue belt final. Our blue belt team is not wel represented at the moment. Our Club is 2 years old, it is going a few years before we can compete at a serious level, I think! Either, our blue belts have been sleeping too much and not training enough!
A bit unfair, but that the BJJ standard/category he fought, so be it!
There was another Judo dude, he fought in the white belt, I suspect he was a BB Judo also. But he lost around the quarter final, i think.
I guess they did want to put their reputation on the line by figthing at the BB level under BJJ rules.
BJJ: It is a 'young' sport for us in New Zealand. It was our first BJJ tournament, so I cannot be to judgemental of the participants.
The fact that Judokas participate in our sport/BJJ rules is a good.
Maybe, next time we will a more 'even' standard of competition.
Who knows?

That is interesting. If you ever get a judoka with good ne waze then it ought to be even better. But personally I think Sambo is better for BJJ tournaments than judo is. Samboist tend to practice more groundwork than the average judo practicioner and the rules of Sambo allow for more time on the ground while in judo you are stood up quickly.

[Tant01]

So where is the link to the challenge to find a technique not found in judo but is in BJJ.

So, where is the alleged technique unique to BJJ/GJJ? As I said, he doesn't have a site that I'm aware of. The only way I know of is by message board...