I dont know BJJ but whats the best way to get someone off the top of you?

[academian]

Yea I guess you should teach both but I would put a lot more effort in teaching them how not to get pinned down because a 120lb woman is going to have a lot of trouble getting out from under a 240lb male regardless of how much training she has had. There is good self defense training for women but it is rare. I think most of the stuff that is taught to women just gives them a false sense of security and puts them in greater danger than if they had no training at all (but it is a great money maker) I always say: "If you are serious about self defense go buy a gun".

[Andrew WA]

Yea I guess you should teach both but I would put a lot more effort in teaching them how not to get pinned down because a 120lb woman is going to have a lot of trouble getting out from under a 240lb male regardless of how much training she has had. There is good self defense training for women but it is rare. I think most of the stuff that is taught to women just gives them a false sense of security and puts them in greater danger than if they had no training at all (but it is a great money maker) I always say: "If you are serious about self defense go buy a gun".

I am not out to rip people off and give them bad ideas for defense. I dont even teach anyone anything right now. My point is I want to sometimes show my friends moves when they ask and also if an opportunity arises I want to take advantage of it and make some extra crash if someone wants me to teach some self defense. For some reason in these classes mainly women show up and men dont care. I know some good techniques that are very basic and very effective from standing up possitions. Like how to get out of grabs and striking in certain areas. Basically I want to teach people how to get away.

And I also just like to learn new moves for myself like the BJJ bridge thing I read about.

[academian]

That sounds good I wish you luck.

[Andrew WA]

Why thank you...that is so kind of you.

[Ronson]

The best way to anti-grappling training/techniques come from actually learning the clinch and grappling game. True self-defence, damn it I hate that phrase so I'm just gonna call it fighting. It's all about training specificity, so if you wanna learn how to fight or "defend" yourself, guess what? you're gonna have to learn and go through the real motions of a fight - everything else is just a bunch of party tricks and tips.

My opinion, when it comes to teaching "self-defence" to women, is to focus on harm prevention and focusing on safety and dangerous behaviors and practices.

[Andrew WA]

yeah I know I was going to do that.

Yes I know you need to seriously try fighting to understand certain manuevers.

But are you saying its wrong to teach women to get someone off of you? Cause i think your wrong if thats what your saying.

This post is not suppossed to turn into a "You have to train for real hardcore fighting! You cant just learn a technique" fight. because I already understand that.

[Ronson]

No, I think it's fine you show women how to escape or sweep from the mount - just make sure when they drill the technique, they realize how hard it is to struggle underneath the weight of a man, and depending on the technique, how easy it becomes with good body mechanics.

Good topic. Later.

[Andrew WA]

Exactly.

When I trained in the techniques I mentioned above we did not even struggle which is pathetic, but thats what you get when a striking based art teaches the black belts a couple of moves. But my Taekwondo instructor got his black belt in judo and tuaght the black belts judo techniques as well as some brazilian jui jitsu he learned. So it was pretty cool.
But the newer school I went to in a new state when I moved sucked and had basically no good defense for this stuff and never wanted to teach it and when I sparred with other students after classes with no rules I could get in trouble. Anyway I quit there...

[wardancer]

why dont you teach them how not to get in that position to start with. If you have good stand up you should be able to do that.

The fact is that most any fight will end up on the ground unless you have referee that stops it.

Anyway, even if a pugilist MA purist (striker), it will be good to learn how to get an opponent of the mount just in case it happens in a street fight for e.g.

Also, BJJ players even if well skilled in the art of rolling (sparring) meaning they will never get anyone to mount them would train in such techniques just in case.

It is always good to put yourselves in a bad position when sparring and working your way out of it.

Cheers,

[wardancer]

No, I think it's fine you show women how to escape or sweep from the mount - just make sure when they drill the technique, they realize how hard it is to struggle underneath the weight of a man, and depending on the technique, how easy it becomes with good body mechanics.

Good topic. Later.

That is exactly so correct.
I wish more people have understood such state of mind:
you are not going to fight the BJJ Mundials everynight at the BJJ club.
Trying to escape hard positions and escapes/sweeps are the vitals skills that a BJJ player has to learn by putting in bad situation once in a while to test his skills.
I in purpose put myself in such bad position versus lighter fighters just to practice my sweeps/espaces because versus bigger players I simply end up at the buttom anyway.

[shamster]

The key to defending from someone mounting you is to throw him off balance by hipping up (upa). Also, you have to protect your neck and try to tie up his arms at the same time. Not easy, but there are techniques you can use after much practice. The key to a solid reversal is to trap one of his feet with yours before you upa up. And when you roll, you need to be on your shoulders before you roll to the side of the trapped foot. Also, it helps to have your feet as close to your butt as possible for more leverage when bridging.
That said though, a good bjj practitioner can learn to avoid this position to begin with. If you ever watch a lot of the top guys roll, they aren't easily mounted on. The reason is that they are very aware of the movements that lead up to something like that, and are able to usually take some kind of guard position (ie. half guard), which is much better than allowing a full mount.

[SimonM]

If they leave you a free hand some good strategies include:

Eye gouge with the thumb.
Spear hand to the throat.
Punch to the back of the neck if you have the angle.
Grab a bunch of hair and pull their head towards you while raising your head, aim forehead to nose. For extra hurtage yank really hard on their hair away from your head just after you complete the headbut.
Again if you have a good angle (you probably wont) the knee to the small of the back is also a favorite.

[Ronson]

I don't think the mount is the position women have to worry about when it comes to an attacker. In a rape situation, it's the guard position that needs to be examined. The women will need to know that she has options in the guard. Without going into too much depth, there are many offensive, defensive, and other tactics that can be employed in the guard position.

[Garland]

agreed. I think I mentioned that before...perhaps in the Women's Self Defense forum....

[Andrew WA]

Yes I always wondered about the guard. You have to have your legs spread around the attacker.

How do women practice BJJ if only guys are in class? You have to really try to not let anything bother.