UFC 63: Penn -vs- Hughes 2

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Although Penn's stand up striking is better than Hughes', who has worked hard on that area BTW, Bj Penn will not be able to avoid being taken down by Hughes. GSP managed to take him down several times. Hughes, has gotten very good at submissions and BJJ since the last time theymet, so Penn submitting Hughes is unlikely, especially from his back, since thats where hughes will put him.

In their first fight, the way Penn won was fluky. What happened was that Hughes had terrible stand up back then, and Penn threw his punches and somehow, Hughes fell down and Penn got on top. Since Penn had much superior BJJ at the time, he passed his guard, landed good shots on hughes, then had landed a HUGE punch to Matt, who then gave up his back and lost.

But this time, i dont think Penn will knock Hughes down and put him on his back. Cuz he certainly cant take Matt down. If Matt fights smart and doesnt stand with Penn for too long, takes him down, passes guard, or tries to, dishes out his GnP, and keeps on trying to pass guard which he eventually will, Penn can be submitted.

The only way i can see Penn winning is from a upset TKO that begins standing. But i think Hughes has enough Muay thai skills to neutralize Penn striking. On the ground, i think Hughes will have the edge. And if the fight goes the distance, which is very possible since BJ has good defense from guard, i can guarantee Hughes will win.

Hughes by 5 round Unanimous decision

[J-Luck]

Although Penn's stand up striking is better than Hughes', who has worked hard on that area BTW, Bj Penn will not be able to avoid being taken down by Hughes. GSP managed to take him down several times. Hughes, has gotten very good at submissions and BJJ since the last time theymet, so Penn submitting Hughes is unlikely, especially from his back, since thats where hughes will put him.

In their first fight, the way Penn won was fluky. What happened was that Hughes had terrible stand up back then, and Penn threw his punches and somehow, Hughes fell down and Penn got on top. Since Penn had much superior BJJ at the time, he passed his guard, landed good shots on hughes, then had landed a HUGE punch to Matt, who then gave up his back and lost.

But this time, i dont think Penn will knock Hughes down and put him on his back. Cuz he certainly cant take Matt down. If Matt fights smart and doesnt stand with Penn for too long, takes him down, passes guard, or tries to, dishes out his GnP, and keeps on trying to pass guard which he eventually will, Penn can be submitted.

The only way i can see Penn winning is from a upset TKO that begins standing. But i think Hughes has enough Muay thai skills to neutralize Penn striking. On the ground, i think Hughes will have the edge. And if the fight goes the distance, which is very possible since BJ has good defense from guard, i can guarantee Hughes will win.

Hughes by 5 round Unanimous decision

I don't think Penn's striking is better at all. I think back then it was, but not now. I also don't think Matt has much in the way of Muay Thai. He always says it's his HANDS that are increasing in skill, though he does kick somtimes.

I think Matt wins by knockout, G&P, or submission(if he can put enough of a hurting on Penn)

[OmaPlata]

Penns is better standing, has more power, has a far superior ground game, and just like last time will turn Hughes into his bitch. Things happen the same, Hughes and Trigg, etc, when the same guys fight each other, Chuck and Randy, this wil be no different, Penn by RNC again, its not even near close that Hughes has a chance to win. He cant KO BJ, thats for sure, he cant control him on the ground by any means, and in a million years he cant submit BJ. Easy pick, say hi to the champ BJ again

[J-Luck]

Penns is better standing, has more power, has a far superior ground game, and just like last time will turn Hughes into his bitch. Things happen the same, Hughes and Trigg, etc, when the same guys fight each other, Chuck and Randy, this wil be no different, Penn by RNC again, its not even near close that Hughes has a chance to win. He cant KO BJ, thats for sure, he cant control him on the ground by any means, and in a million years he cant submit BJ. Easy pick, say hi to the champ BJ again

Again, back to your complete idiodic ways. Less power(obviously), Superior ground game?(c'mon! you cant be serious), and Matt's striking is at the very, very least on par with Penn's, but is probably superior now.

He can definitly knock Penn out, could chose to dominate him on the ground via G&P due to him being the superior wrestler, or if he damages Penn enough, he could submit him.

I don't know what's up with you, sometimes your thoughts are well planned and obviously resonable, but then, other times you seem like you have the logic of chipped paint.

[Clooneytkd]

yeah its never any good to make bold statements, for example when gracie fought hughes how many people do you think craped there pants and lost a good amount of money. but i will say that in my opinion is that hughes will win by decision. or rear naked choke. or it could possibly end in the first round. we wont know until we watch it, or see it on youtube. hughes just hasnt had any close matches latley and he has improved so much in every aspect. penn on the other hand, altough he beat the crap out of pierre still lost the fight and didnt really show anything good or impresive that showcased he has got any better.

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I think Hughes will win but Hughes submitting Penn? NO chance in hell.

[OmaPlata]

Again, back to your complete idiodic ways. Less power(obviously), Superior ground game?(c'mon! you cant be serious), and Matt's striking is at the very, very least on par with Penn's, but is probably superior now.

He can definitly knock Penn out, could chose to dominate him on the ground via G&P due to him being the superior wrestler, or if he damages Penn enough, he could submit him.

I don't know what's up with you, sometimes your thoughts are well planned and obviously resonable, but then, other times you seem like you have the logic of chipped paint.

Where or where did u ever get that Hughes is 'better' on the ground than Penn?? LOL, its isnt nearly close, Penn is 10 times better the grappler than Hughes. Not to say Hughes is bad, but he wont have an answer for Penn on the ground when it goes there. And where did u ever get that Hughes has power? LOLLOLOLOL, its Penns that been KOing people, not Hughes.
No matter what happens, no matter how it plays out, not in 100 years in the ring could Hughes submit Penn, never. Its like a white belt and black belt in there, jsut like last time, Hughes will be humiliated. Sad thing is i might not be able to see the fight live

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Guys, this fight is coming up next week(along with Pat vs Renzo), one thing is for sure, Matt Hughes will win. You'll see, mark my words. I will post the results as soon as it happens.

[OmaPlata]

Guys, this fight is coming up next week(along with Pat vs Renzo), one thing is for sure, Matt Hughes will win. You'll see, mark my words. I will post the results as soon as it happens.

Pat vs Renzo i cant wait, what a fight. I liek Renzo, but Pat has been training with and leading the best team around, at least one of them, Renzo is in trouble unless he can get Pat down and submit him somehow

[J-Luck]

Where or where did u ever get that Hughes is 'better' on the ground than Penn?? LOL, its isnt nearly close, Penn is 10 times better the grappler than Hughes. Not to say Hughes is bad, but he wont have an answer for Penn on the ground when it goes there. And where did u ever get that Hughes has power? LOLLOLOLOL, its Penns that been KOing people, not Hughes.
No matter what happens, no matter how it plays out, not in 100 years in the ring could Hughes submit Penn, never. Its like a white belt and black belt in there, jsut like last time, Hughes will be humiliated. Sad thing is i might not be able to see the fight live

He is better on the ground. Period.

That being said, I think I can see where you are coming from. You think being a world champion in jiu-jitsu is far superior than being an NCAA D-1 5th placer. If that's your thinking than you are, for the most part, wrong. Now, I think Penn is going to stand a chance on the ground, but he is roundly outclassed.

Well Penn hasn't been doing much of anything lately, but record has little reflection in who is more skilled in a specific area. Remember, Hughes has RECENTLY gotten to the level where he is somewhat better than Penn in striking. The knockouts will be forthcoming.

If Hughes does enough damage with some G&P and striking, then he can submit Penn. Anyone can submit anyone if they're softened up a bit. It is nothing like the last time, and if you think it is, then you're the idiot I always make you to be.

Penn is in for a loss. That being said, it WILL BE a good fight.

[bigred389]

Penn is in for a loss. That being said, it WILL BE a good fight.

Assuming Penn didn't degnerate into a fatbody again. J/k...I doubt he'd slack like that against Hughes.

But yeah, once this goes to the ground, I actually predict something along the lines of the first Fedor vs Nog match...Hughes is far more powerful in GnP, and the assumption is he's picked up enough BJJ to avoid Penn's submissions. I still remember when he picked up Newton while he was in the triangle and WALKED over to the cage. That's power.

Of course, I'd say this is still anything goes...Penn only has to get one good sub to end it all. I really don't see either of them ending it with standup striking...it'll go to the ground.

[OmaPlata]

Assuming Penn didn't degnerate into a fatbody again. J/k...I doubt he'd slack like that against Hughes.

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Actually, after all the debating above, thats exatly whats going to determine the outcome of the fight: which Penn shows up. The fat slow boring unmotivatred Penn, or the Penn that beat Hughes last time and had glimpses of his former self in the first round of the GSP fight. ITs up to Penn who wins the fight, not Hughes at all. Hughes is at Penns mercy basically

[grappler-jordan]

Actually, after all the debating above, thats exatly whats going to determine the outcome of the fight: which Penn shows up. The fat slow boring unmotivatred Penn, or the Penn that beat Hughes last time and had glimpses of his former self in the first round of the GSP fight. ITs up to Penn who wins the fight, not Hughes at all. Hughes is at Penns mercy basically

Agreed this will have a huge impact on the outcome of the fight, but I have lost my confidence in Penn as of recently, he should have dominated GSP and didn't even try until 1 minute left in 3rd round, very dissapointing... Matt Hughes is always motivated, conditioned and aggressive in his bouts.

[J-Luck]

Actually, after all the debating above, thats exatly whats going to determine the outcome of the fight: which Penn shows up. The fat slow boring unmotivatred Penn, or the Penn that beat Hughes last time and had glimpses of his former self in the first round of the GSP fight. ITs up to Penn who wins the fight, not Hughes at all. Hughes is at Penns mercy basically

Penn showing up with his "A" game only give him a CHANCE, it doesn't really give him any strong edge over Hughes. Don't get me wrong though, I definitly hope Penn gets in the best shape of his life and fights as hard as he can, at least then, the fight will be entertaining.

[OmaPlata]

Penn showing up with his "A" game only give him a CHANCE, it doesn't really give him any strong edge over Hughes. Don't get me wrong though, I definitly hope Penn gets in the best shape of his life and fights as hard as he can, at least then, the fight will be entertaining.

heres an update i found online:

MATT HUGHES VS. BJ PENN
Christmas came a few months early this year for BJ Penn. Instead of fighting a few more fights for the right to fight for the welterweight title, Penn is the replacement for an unfortunate Georges St. Pierre, who just defeated the Hawaiian in March by a controversial split decision. BJ jumped at the opportunity and the only person that might be happier with this fight is Matt Hughes.

Hughes really needs no introduction as he has been dominant in this weight class. He tapped Georges St. Pierre and made Royce Gracie look old. As Big John McCarthy would say, “Let’s get it on!”

WINNER: Penn. Nothing against Hughes but when BJ Penn has the attitude that he has now, it will be hard to see him lose. I can’t see Hughes getting him in a bad position on the ground forcing a ground-and-pound stoppage or knocking him out. I think Penn could handle Hughes’ wrestling because remember, Penn has been training with Olympic Silver Medalist Matt “the Law” Lindland. I pick Penn by tap out to triangle choke in the third or fourth round.

WHATS NEXT:
BJ Penn vs. TUF 4 Winner or Diego Sanchez. If St. Pierre isn’t 100 percent, the UFC has a few options. Matt Hughes vs. Karo Parisyan should have happened a long time ago and it would be a good come back fight for Hughes if he decides to stay at welterweight