Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I thought eat in mandarin was "chr"?

[Tom Yum]

This is true man, the rest talk P.I.S.S

How are you still talking, "man who never eats"...

[WuChi]

Well Mike, I might have lost you because I'm replying to questions all over the place. But in truth, whether you agree with what I wrote or not didn't make the points any more or less valid. I pretty much said what I came to in the first couple of posts. The facts still stand. I didn't come to rekindle any old debates either.

Besides, a few of us have come to find out that its more fun to fcuk with people here than waste time trying to discuss shit that they only watch on tv and read about.

This is true man, the rest talk P.I.S.S

[Uke]

And Uke, I think you're losing me. You're vastly oversimplifying MMA, my friend. It has developed, and there have been major evolutions in how the game is played. I can cite for you a very clear example using one man as the common denominator - Matt Hughes. Gracie used to beat everyone, and Matt proved that conditioning and a familiarity with srtiking could supplement the ground game and provide an serious advantage. He ruined the guy who built the sport. Then, along comes St. Pierre. St. Pierre was even more well-rounded, but instead of going to the ground, he preferred to gear his strategy toward shutting it down and hone his strikes. His well roundedness and conditioning paid off. That's not only a difference in strategy - it's an evolution within a sport. The good strikers from even two or three years ago are being outpaced by the good strikers of today. Look at Rich Franklin. Look at Hughes. Saying that MMA is not evolving is like saying boxing hasn't evolved since Dempsey's heyday.

And competition does indeed stimulate evolution because it provides a cross section of the training public with the very neccesity you're referring to.

The last thing I want to do is rekindle a tired old debate about the value of MMA. But the fact is, if you can see some combative value for boxing, then it shouldn't be much of a stretch for you to see some in MMA as well. Both are sports, after all, and one is vastly more limited than the other.

Well Mike, I might have lost you because I'm replying to questions all over the place. But in truth, whether you agree with what I wrote or not didn't make the points any more or less valid. I pretty much said what I came to in the first couple of posts. The facts still stand. I didn't come to rekindle any old debates either.

Besides, a few of us have come to find out that its more fun to fcuk with people here than waste time trying to discuss shit that they only watch on tv and read about.

[jubaji]

I thought you weren't listlening?

[WuChi]

Just ignore him mate, he talks total trash. And HIS CP is Incorrect, He is located elsewhere. I have his IP, and will kick him off in a min.

[jubaji]

You're like a retarded Magic 8 Ball with tourette's syndrome, jubaji. Pathetic one liners, but so angry.

Another poor attempt. Keep trying, champ!

[jubaji]

Whys that? He has made some sense, where are you just babble on and no one wants to hear it. I can tell by your posts that you immature, so dont bother talking to me mate, im not listlening.

You're not listlening? Not listlening? Oh, I just hate it when you don't listlen!

[jubaji]

I totally agree with you on that mate. as for the rest of you wanabe, why is it that you say things like. "boxers dont care how their STYLe fares out of the ring", thats fucking nonsense., if his life depended on it he would. And another point, I dont think peole are stupid enough these days to say hez a boxer, karate etc. He is a fucking human being, and the way he trained is important, but it will never change what he is. More corect way of saying it would be a " a fighter who trains in boxing", can you buy boxing, taekwon do etc? Theydont exist, only knowledge and abilities do. You dumbasses, with the exeption of Dick and a few others. The forum is full of intellegnet people, adn children unfortunately.

Here you go, champ. http://www.worldwidelearn.com/langua...esl-course.htm

[WuChi]

Oh, that's a funny charge coming from the likes of you!

Whys that? He has made some sense, where are you just babble on and no one wants to hear it. I can tell by your posts that you immature, so dont bother talking to me mate, im not listlening.

[Uke]

Oh, that's a funny charge coming from the likes of you!

You're like a retarded Magic 8 Ball with tourette's syndrome, jubaji. Pathetic one liners, but so angry.

[Sagacious Lu]

And Uke, I think you're losing me. You're vastly oversimplifying MMA, my friend. It has developed, and there have been major evolutions in how the game is played. I can cite for you a very clear example using one man as the common denominator - Matt Hughes. Gracie used to beat everyone, and Matt proved that conditioning and a familiarity with srtiking could supplement the ground game and provide an serious advantage. He ruined the guy who built the sport. Then, along comes St. Pierre. St. Pierre was even more well-rounded, but instead of going to the ground, he preferred to gear his strategy toward shutting it down and hone his strikes. His well roundedness and conditioning paid off. That's not only a difference in strategy - it's an evolution within a sport. The good strikers from even two or three years ago are being outpaced by the good strikers of today. Look at Rich Franklin. Look at Hughes. Saying that MMA is not evolving is like saying boxing hasn't evolved since Dempsey's heyday.

Exactly.

Nonsense. I can point out dozens of examples of kickboxers who moved over to MMA, Wrestlers who moved to Sambo, MMA, or Pride, and all manner of martial artisits from different disciplines who felt they had to prove something beyond their style. Ken Shamrock, Keith Hackney, and plenty of others fit this bill. Lu, I don't know if you've ever trained regularly at a boxing gym or not, and I won't make assumptions. But I can tell you that in all the gyms and with all the boxers I've ever trained, no boxer has ever showed the same concern for whether or not his skills would measure up in some other sport as almost every martial artist out there.

Sure you've got people who compete in different sports and who change disciplines. You didn't even mention one of my favorites, Mirko "Crocop" who made a very successful transition from kick boxing to MMA. There are lots of boxers who have competed in other sports too for that matter. My point is that if you look at MMA competitors they aren't pretending to be wrestlers, judoka or boxers- unless they happen to have that in their background. If you go to an MMA gym they aren't pretending to be preparing themselves for anything other than MMA.
I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with, but you know from our conversations on here that I currently train at a boxing gym. With luck I may be able to come out to your high altitude training center, or if you're ever in Atl. by all means drop by and visit our gym. Seriously, that's a friendly invitation and if you ever do make it I'll spring for a pitcher of beer in the name of southern hospitality. When that happens you'll be able to see my skills for yourself; I'm not anything special but it will be obvious to you that I spend a lot of time training. Until then you'll just have to take my word for it.

If you need proof, just can through or do a search in any martial arts forum on the web for posts like "Which art would win in a fight?" Then go look for anything of the sort on a boxing forum.

This is kind of beside the point; you can find morons of all shapes and sizes on the internet. What I'm trying to say is that generally speaking once someone is an experienced sportsman (of any sort) they usually understand what their sport is and isn't. They also usually stop making insecure attacks on other styles/sports. Hell, I would go so far as to say that that understanding is part of good sportsmanship. Unfortunately sportsmanship can be hard to come by sometimes...

[jubaji]

Wow, you're back Jubbi? You were so quiet for so long

Was I quiet?

[jubaji]

So now we're getting into semantics now? .

Oh, that's a funny charge coming from the likes of you!

[WuChi]

This is, without exageration, one of the stupidest things I've ever seen posted on the internet.

I totally agree with you on that mate. as for the rest of you wanabe, why is it that you say things like. "boxers dont care how their STYLe fares out of the ring", thats fucking nonsense., if his life depended on it he would. And another point, I dont think peole are stupid enough these days to say hez a boxer, karate etc. He is a fucking human being, and the way he trained is important, but it will never change what he is. More corect way of saying it would be a " a fighter who trains in boxing", can you buy boxing, taekwon do etc? Theydont exist, only knowledge and abilities do. You dumbasses, with the exeption of Dick and a few others. The forum is full of intellegnet people, adn children unfortunately.