wing chun anti-grappling

[jubaji]

As long as at least one person understands, I'm satisfied.

[Garland]

As long as at least one person understands, I'm satisfied.

Oh...I understood...I was just wondering why you had to be such a grumpy gus about it.

[fire cobra]

J-Luck,I still cant agree sorry dude,say somebody takes the straight arm bar,the moment the calf comes near the mouth..opportunity for a bite,and a calf bite bloody hurts!,guess my posts on this wont go down well in a mma forum,my main point was that wing chun folk or anyother martial artist dont need to learn a grappling sysyem(though i do think it would benefit them in lots of ways to do so)to get them out of "street style" ground fighting.

[fire cobra]

Jubaji..grow up!.

[jubaji]

Jubaji..grow up!.

Let me think about it.....


hmmm...nah, bite me.

[jubaji]

say somebody takes the straight arm bar,the moment the calf comes near the mouth..opportunity for a bite,and a calf bite bloody hurts!

Reading your LARP-arific nonsense bloody hurts.

[DJColdfusion]

Firecobra, if you are ever in Utah (USA) come on out to our school, look us up at http://www.slcbjj.com we have plenty of room to train and I will welcome your bite to my calf when I crank on an armbar. And I'm being 100% serious here. I will let you bite, scratch, pinch, headbutt, whatever . . . but I will count as fair anything that you try on me. So, if you bite, I'll bite, if you attempt a fish hook, I will fish hook. If you try to headbutt me, I'll plant my head completely through your skull.

There are no secret moves. There are no secret tactics. Anyone can play dirty and the person with the training that gives them the low level balance, the timint, explosiveness, and kinisthetic sense that the grappler learns over time will be able to apply the dirty tricks with MUCH greater effectiveness than the McDojo refugee that thinks their secret technique will save them.

[Garland]

Firecobra, if you are ever in Utah (USA) come on out to our school, look us up at http://www.slcbjj.com we have plenty of room to train and I will welcome your bite to my calf when I crank on an armbar. And I'm being 100% serious here. I will let you bite, scratch, pinch, headbutt, whatever . . . but I will count as fair anything that you try on me. So, if you bite, I'll bite, if you attempt a fish hook, I will fish hook. If you try to headbutt me, I'll plant my head completely through your skull.
There are no secret moves. There are no secret tactics. Anyone can play dirty and the person with the training that gives them the low level balance, the timint, explosiveness, and kinisthetic sense that the grappler learns over time will be able to apply the dirty tricks with MUCH greater effectiveness than the McDojo refugee that thinks their secret technique will save them.

I will pay this cobrakai kid $500 to do this...if I can sit in and watch Gerald murder him. I doubt that amount would cover hospital fees.

Of course...it wouldn't be a REAL true to life fight if I couldn't get some hits in on this idiot too- with a bat...can I bring friends? It would be like a Kansas pinata or whack a mole.

By the way Gerald... Bankok Thai is almost up and running again...we're over by 33rd and Highland... kind of by Big O Tires and the old Villa Theater (in the same strip as the Lactation Station )...you should come by and get some Thai food. The ETA is about 2-3 weeks.

[fire cobra]

Dont take it all sooo personally guys! i was only saying those techniques work in grappling situations(yes for anyone!) they would even work for rickson gracie or randy couture,my god now you all want to kill me for my opinion,baseball bat me etc! he he its a crazy world eh.

[Garland]

Dont take it all sooo personally guys! i was only saying those techniques work in grappling situations(yes for anyone!) they would even work for rickson gracie or randy couture,my god now you all want to kill me for my opinion,baseball bat me etc! he he its a crazy world eh.

...eh...it's not that I don't like you...it's just how I roll.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Dont take it all sooo personally guys! i was only saying those techniques work in grappling situations(yes for anyone!) they would even work for rickson gracie or randy couture,my god now you all want to kill me for my opinion,baseball bat me etc! he he its a crazy world eh.

Proper capitalization and punctuation would raise other's opinion of you by ten fold.

[J-Luck]

J-Luck,I still cant agree sorry dude,say somebody takes the straight arm bar,the moment the calf comes near the mouth..opportunity for a bite,and a calf bite bloody hurts!,guess my posts on this wont go down well in a mma forum,my main point was that wing chun folk or anyother martial artist dont need to learn a grappling sysyem(though i do think it would benefit them in lots of ways to do so)to get them out of "street style" ground fighting.

Say this is a not a sparring armbar, similar to rolling in class. Say this is an armbar that would be utilized in an mma or jiu-jitsu match. Say the arm is broken within a second. Say there is no time to bite untill after the arm is rendered a useless, hanging piece of meet.

Lemme shatter your elbow, and then you can bite me. We'll see who wins. . Remember, in class, you can bite me if I armbar you, I'll still shatter your arm, but you could certainly take a chunk of my leg with you. However, in a real life scenerio, Ill shatter your elbow, then get up, and asess the situation from there.

I understand your main point. It's just wrong. Iv'e made strong, valid points, for which you've had no response. In order to even continue in this debate, you'd have to address my previous points.

That being said, you seem like a nice guy. Just misguieded by rhetoric.

Has nothing to do with an MMA forum, I've trained and still train in various combatives. I understand the value of a good bite, an eye gouge, ect., ect.

You dont realise that positioning is always key. Even with dirty techniques. They are still techniques, are they not? Techniques have positions in which they are effective, and those in which they are not.

[J-Luck]

Dont take it all sooo personally guys! i was only saying those techniques work in grappling situations(yes for anyone!) they would even work for rickson gracie or randy couture,my god now you all want to kill me for my opinion,baseball bat me etc! he he its a crazy world eh.

It's just that you can't seem to refute a point with any logic or reasoning. You seem to think something, and can't back it up under scrutiny.

[DJColdfusion]

Dont take it all sooo personally guys! i was only saying those techniques work in grappling situations(yes for anyone!) they would even work for rickson gracie or randy couture,my god now you all want to kill me for my opinion,baseball bat me etc! he he its a crazy world eh.

First, contrary to popular belief, an "opinion" is not something you just pick out of the sky. You have to have a reason for having the opinion and that reason has to have a foundation of some sort. If you foundation is faulty then your opinion is shyte.

Second, and most importantly, I'm not making threats and I don't want to kill you, hell I don't even want to hurt you. I just want to give you the opportunity to find out if the horse-patooey your instructor has told you is true or not.

I don't want this to become emotionally combative. I just think your biting statement is not only wrong, but dangerous. I can just see someone trying to defend an armbar with a bite in a violent situation and not only ending up with a broken arm but getting their face curbed as retribution for the bite.

You have to understand simple things like when you are in a bad position and what to do to not make it even worse before you can start to think about adding "dirt".

And I won't tell you that biting is always a bad thing; however, you better: #1 be in a position where your opponent cannot bite you back, #2 be able to create enough space that you are able to escape and get the hell out of there. Both points bring us back to understanding when you are in a bad position . . . if you are and you bite will you get away or just piss them off? Do you know your hip-escape and technical standup well enough that you can explode away from your attacker and get to your feet before the distraction caused by your bite dissapates as their adrenaline kicks in and you get to feel your skull bouncing off the cement from the pointy side of their elbow?

Biting, gouging, fish hooking, eye poking, are not even close to a secondary attack option unless you already have a sound grappling back ground. Otherwise your just much more likely to just piss off your opponent and get yourself seriously maimed.

[DJColdfusion]

You dont realise that positioning is always key. Even with dirty techniques. They are still techniques, are they not? Techniques have positions in which they are effective, and those in which they are not.

Very good point.