Working out with the ladies.-No it's dirty.

[KickNit]

But think of sparring a smaller man: If you could find a man who was 110, how would you spar with him? That's how I like guys to spar with me.

I don't think you'd like that at all. Most guys would have a hay day with a guy who weighs 110.

[Yessir]

@RichardThrower

I understand where you're coming from, I use to feel the same way about striking with/on a girl, I don't feel bad about rolling with though.

I think the only way to get past it is to keep sparring with girls till you're comfortable with.

But then again, why don't you just spar with some of the guys in the class?

[Little Apple]

OK Ghost, let me see if I can cover all the points with this one: No, I disagree with you. I think you're underestimating women's potential. I think that class is about technique and conditioning, not proving who you can pulverize. I do think that the average woman who walks into a class off the street is in a very different place than someone who is more solid with it. For your average woman, I agree with you completely; however, I've been thrown around like a rag doll, slammed into walls, given a concussion in class, and countless other things: and I think this thread is getting out of proportion. Wasn't it originally about sparring in a class setting? You take it easy on Everyone in a class setting, you're just probably more aware of it with women. One more time for the record~ Sparring isn't Fighting.
Chill.

Oh, and no, it's not useless outside of class, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Kicknit: see above. I'm still training, so clearly you're underestimating me. (Evil Laughter! I will use this to my advantage! What you value most will soon belong to me!!!!)

[KickNit]

Kicknit: see above. I'm still training, so clearly you're underestimating me. (Evil Laughter! I will use this to my advantage! What you value most will soon belong to me!!!!)

I never underestimate the enemy!

[gregimotis]

I don't think you'd like that at all. Most guys would have a hay day with a guy who weighs 110.

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ROFL

[Garland]

I don't think you'd like that at all. Most guys would have a hay day with a guy who weighs 110.

...boy, would I ever. sailor.

[DickHardman]

we still havent even discussed the high tech check fingerprints and eyescans, and the high speed broadband with the eyecam.

[Ghost]

OK Ghost, let me see if I can cover all the points with this one: No, I disagree with you. I think you're underestimating women's potential. I think that class is about technique and conditioning, not proving who you can pulverize. I do think that the average woman who walks into a class off the street is in a very different place than someone who is more solid with it. For your average woman, I agree with you completely; however, I've been thrown around like a rag doll, slammed into walls, given a concussion in class, and countless other things: and I think this thread is getting out of proportion. Wasn't it originally about sparring in a class setting? You take it easy on Everyone in a class setting, you're just probably more aware of it with women. One more time for the record~ Sparring isn't Fighting.
Chill.

Oh, and no, it's not useless outside of class, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Kicknit: see above. I'm still training, so clearly you're underestimating me. (Evil Laughter! I will use this to my advantage! What you value most will soon belong to me!!!!)

im talking about the average woman though, i did acknowledge earlier that some women are different.

[Little Apple]

Oh. I guess I didn't remember that, sorry. Very good then, glad we agree.

Kicknit: Never the less, you will rue the day you posted on this thread! Rue it I say, RUE! Mwaaaa-haa-haaaaaa!

[Shoot]

When I was training in BJJ (as opposed to MMA) the classes were separated based on gender. Then, they became co-ed. It was such a buzz kill and totally akward. I think the women really liked it, but the guys hated it. I think several guys dropped out because of it. Granted, we got infiltrated by a bunch of butchies with hair where it shouldn't be on a girl, but I think any female presence in a contact sport sucks. It's like having a guys night out and one of your pussy whipped friends brings his girl friend. You guys know what I'm talking about. It totally kills the vibe and makes you want to bitch slap your buddy. BJJ is a contact sport that should be separated based on gender just like all other contact sports. I'm not comfortable wrestling with a female. If she's a dike, then she's gross. If she's "built like a guy" but not a dike, then she's gross. If she's all thick and strong, then she's gross. If she's hot, then I can't help but to get turned on and pop a boner--just being honest. I'm not liking the prospects here. Let the boys have their sport for christ's sake. We hardly get to enjoy anything to ourselves anymore. And, by the way, I'm sorry but these jock-dike-wanna-be-a-guy girls are annoying as hell. I wouldn't hang out with them voluntarily anywhere at any time and shouldn't have to have a class with them. Like I need to roll around on the floor with some white-trashy looking mullet wearing fat chick with coffee can cankles who wears tivas and cut off shorts on the weekends. No thanks.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

When I was training in BJJ (as opposed to MMA) the classes were separated based on gender. Then, they became co-ed. It was such a buzz kill and totally akward. I think the women really liked it, but the guys hated it. I think several guys dropped out because of it. Granted, we got infiltrated by a bunch of butchies with hair where it shouldn't be on a girl, but I think any female presence in a contact sport sucks. It's like having a guys night out and one of your pussy whipped friends brings his girl friend. You guys know what I'm talking about. It totally kills the vibe and makes you want to bitch slap your buddy. BJJ is a contact sport that should be separated based on gender just like all other contact sports. I'm not comfortable wrestling with a female. If she's a dike, then she's gross. If she's "built like a guy" but not a dike, then she's gross. If she's all thick and strong, then she's gross. If she's hot, then I can't help but to get turned on and pop a boner--just being honest. I'm not liking the prospects here. Let the boys have their sport for christ's sake. We hardly get to enjoy anything to ourselves anymore. And, by the way, I'm sorry but these jock-dike-wanna-be-a-guy girls are annoying as hell. I wouldn't hang out with them voluntarily anywhere at any time and shouldn't have to have a class with them. Like I need to roll around on the floor with some white-trashy looking mullet wearing fat chick with coffee can cankles who wears tivas and cut off shorts on the weekends. No thanks.

Trust me, after you're old enough to realize cooties don't exist then it won't be as bad rolling with females. Suck it up!

[KickNit]

...boy, would I ever. sailor.

ROFL. Perv!

Little Apple: Bring it on, Baby! Bring it on! he-he

[DickHardman]

If she's a dike, then she's gross. If she's "built like a guy" but not a dike, then she's gross. If she's all thick and strong, then she's gross. If she's hot, then I can't help but to get turned on and pop a boner--just being honest.

thank you for just coming out with it and telling the truth. what you said is honestly exactly how it goes. i dont wanna roll with some nasty chicks, and the few hot ones that i wouldnt mind getting my hands on, i cant roll with for very long cause i dont want everyone in the whole gym seeing me walking around with a huge boner jutting out of my gi pants. we have some youngsters who train there, i for sure wouldnt want to be responsible for exposing(no pun intended) them to such a scene.

I wouldn't hang out with them voluntarily anywhere at any time and shouldn't have to have a class with them. Like I need to roll around on the floor with some white-trashy looking mullet wearing fat chick with coffee can cankles who wears tivas and cut off shorts on the weekends. No thanks.

again, thank you for your honesty, its a breathe of fresh air to come across someone on these forums that has no problem just telling it as it without having to sugarcoat anything or beatoff around the bush. i agree with your statements, and i think most guys do too, but many are too afriad to just admit it.

[Anon coward]

Hi I find this area quite interesting, I am a woman training JKD/MMA for over 2 years now and I have had some pretty horrible situations with male training partners who took the view that I needed to learn how to do everything against a man, which to a point was ok, but they forgot that their body weight and power was much more than mine and I left some classes really hurting and bruised! I can tell you it took some talking to myself to get my back in the lessons.

I now train with some really nice guys and they truth is I tell them when they are going to strong and to take in down a bit and all of them are great about it, they know what level I can work at and when I am putting it on and they need to push me. I personally think the only thing guys need to be aware of is that in training we do all our groin kicks etc in a nice way as not to hurt the guy, I think guys sometimes forget that women have sensitive areas too, called breasts and this can sometimes be a little bit sensitive esp. when holding pads for Thai knee training, so my advice is just be aware of your partner and talk to them, let them know that they can say “I need you to take in down 30%” . A lot of women won’t because they think that men will not want to train with them.

My advice would be to ask your partner if they feel comfortable with what you are training, you never know by training at their pace you may learn a lot more. The best thing I ever heard was from the amazing Neil McCloud who said that every man should train with a woman at some point in their life, because we bring a totally different game to the table.

[KickNit]

I now train with some really nice guys and they truth is I tell them when they are going to strong and to take in down a bit and all of them are great about it, they know what level I can work at and when I am putting it on and they need to push me. I personally think the only thing guys need to be aware of is that in training we do all our groin kicks etc in a nice way as not to hurt the guy, I think guys sometimes forget that women have sensitive areas too, called breasts and this can sometimes be a little bit sensitive esp. when holding pads for Thai knee training, so my advice is just be aware of your partner and talk to them, let them know that they can say “I need you to take in down 30%” . A lot of women won’t because they think that men will not want to train with them.

It's all about respect. It must be mutual. Some guys rough up a girl in training because they really don't want the women there in the first place and they figure if they hurt her a little bit then she won't come back. It's a bullying tactic that sometimes works.