MMA is Not Self Defense!

[Tant01]

Judo rules in warfare...?

Aw c'mon now, that shit was funny. I was making light of the concept that shit went completely wrong because an American soldier is fighting with his hands, and yet the training is predicated on your friends getting there first, that isn't realism, it's optimism. Whatever happened to train for the worst hope for the best?

Made me laugh...

Picture a jar head with the "TAP-OUT" Logo shaved into his haircut...

I don't think holding someone on the deck with your boot is a BJJ move though? Kinda like the M-16 in his face...

[TTEscrima]

Made me laugh...

Picture a jar head with the "TAP-OUT" Logo shaved into his haircut...

I don't think holding someone on the deck with your boot is a BJJ move though?

When a Marine taps you out, there are only two taps and it's permanent.

[kingoftheforest]

Disney

I call the wait for your buddies to save you system the Disney Princess mentality.

I'd rather not wait for PFC charming to rescue me.

[Tant01]

When a Marine taps you out, there are only two taps and it's permanent.

Only if you're an enemy...

[TTEscrima]

Can we ALL at least agree that Tai Chi is not self defense?

Absolutely, NO art is, except Yellow Bamboo of course.

[Balo]

MMA was a lot more useful for self defence, as practised under the early UFC / vale tudo rules, where head butts, knees to head on ground etc were all permitted.

[HERQ454]

"MMA is not Self-Defense"-Well yeah its not entirely a be all and end all for a Self Defense/Street scenario system.But if you encorporate the 'techniques' banned from the sport regs,add in Awareness scenario training and weapons training ie Knife,Stick/Baton and Handgun/Rifle(use of and unhanded responses to),and a little bit of 2 on 1,2 on 2,3 on 1,etc training,I think you might have something.
MMA has its place in a system for use for personnal protection,as long as you just dont look at it from just a sporting perspective.

[Tant01]

"The essence of self-defense is the ability to defend oneself against an attacker using any and all necessary violence of action to end the threat against ones' life. Any weapon is just a tool that we use in defending ourselves. Whether one uses their own body, a knife or a gun to defend themselves, the principle remains the same: that to survive an attack on your life, one must realistically train and be honest with oneself about their self-defense skills."
Michael Van Blaricum

[kingoftheforest]

Mickey

Can we ALL at least agree that Tai Chi is not self defense?

If by WE you mean you and the mouse in your pocket than yes.

I cannot believe this one slipped past me. I guess I was to busy practicing my favorite past time (messing with religious nuts in other threads).

Will I say the Tai Chi in most studios and any DVD you can buy out of a magazine are not for self defense ....

Hell Yes!!! With a muther freakin' cherry on top.

But true Tai Chi the way it's supposed to be taught and used can, was, and is used for SD. But this thread isn't 'bout that shiznit hommies dis here thrized is 'bout MMA for SD butternuts.

Saying all Tai Chi is not for SD would be like saying water is for bathing not for drinking.

Now please continue on with your discussion gentlemen cause I got nuthin else to spout. I'm just gonna step down from my soap box and let ya'll continue to filibuster

[DickHardman]

If by WE you mean you and the mouse in your pocket than yes.

I cannot believe this one slipped past me. I guess I was to busy practicing my favorite past time (messing with religious nuts in other threads).

Will I say the Tai Chi in most studios and any DVD you can buy out of a magazine are not for self defense ....

Hell Yes!!! With a muther freakin' cherry on top.

But true Tai Chi the way it's supposed to be taught and used can, was, and is used for SD. But this thread isn't 'bout that shiznit hommies dis here thrized is 'bout MMA for SD butternuts.

Saying all Tai Chi is not for SD would be like saying water is for bathing not for drinking.

Now please continue on with your discussion gentlemen cause I got nuthin else to spout. I'm just gonna step down from my soap box and let ya'll continue to filibuster

isnt true tai chi incredibly fast and utilizes weapons?

[DickHardman]

here is a video of some combat oriented tia chi

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8qv6TldAb0[/YOUTUBE]

[DickHardman]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UPg1tb6puc[/YOUTUBE]

[TTEscrima]

It looks more like he used JKD and Shaolin skills to fill in holes in his Tai Chi skill.

[kingoftheforest]

Under a Rock

isnt true tai chi incredibly fast and utilizes weapons?

I'm gonna assume you sent this from a port-o-john while intoxicated

If you meant

isn't it true that tai chi is incredibly fast and utilizes weapons?

Then yes it uses weapons hence the Tai Chi Sword. And any art can be incredibly fast if you practice enough and train to utilize it at speed.

[kingoftheforest]

Test Your Might

It looks more like he used JKD and Shaolin skills to fill in holes in his Tai Chi skill.

Yeah looks more like they were filming the next Mortal Kombat and less like Tai Chi.


But lets not high jack this thread with Tai Chi lets discuss more why the turtle defense is not good to use in a street fight against 4 people with bottles and chains.

I feel anything from MMA that would be good for Self Defense was originally made for defense and came from an SD art. But if you train for ring rules your reactions will be ingrained for ring rules. You don't have time to think in an SD situation normally thats what makes it SD.

Discuss.