BJJ or Judo?

[Szczepankiewicz]

This sums up my argument quite nicely.

A quote from Austin Martial Arts Academy. There is a link on my homepage.

there are specific distinctions and differences between Mixed Martial Arts and Street Self Defense Systems. They are different because one is for Sport/Submission and the other is for Street Survival. This is not to say that MMA (sport training systems) don't offer excellent street fighting skills, they do, but the application of these sport techniques must be modified for street self defense encounters, (i.e. not deliberately going to the ground - against multiple attackers, open hand strikes vs. closed fist strikes without gloves) and additional training must be incorporated to deal with weapon defenses, ambush attack training and legally accountable use of force, to mention a few *.

[Guest]

Tigercats12

If he was as effective stanbding up as he is on the ground, he would not only win all grappling only tournaments, he would win all striking only tournaments as well. But he doesnt even enter those.

That's logical, captain.

[tigercats12]

bri, you are talking in circles. you know very well what i am saying yet you are trying to argue about nonsense. if he was not an effective striker, then explain to me why he has won many fights with striking both standing and on the ground? most people seem to think that BJJ guys are only effective on the ground which is not true. the reverse of your statement would be, just because someone does not enter a grappling contest means that there is no way they could be effective in grappling. which we also know is not true.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I think I understand.

If Rickson Gracie is an awesome grappler, he would enter and win grappling contests. Which he does.

If Rickson Gracie is such an awesome striker, he would enter and win striking contests. Which he does not.

He can strike, but there exists a huge gap between his ability as a grappler and his ability to strike.

Now, my boy Frank Shamrock enters both, and wins both. He isn't undefeated, but he always, always puts up a hell of a fight.

If there was one man I could train with it would be Frank Shamrock, even given the choice of training with any or all the gracies. But that's just me.

Spanky

[Shadi]

Me personally, I would have to go with bjj. It not only encompases the takedowns, but also a little bit of submission. Like the infamous chokehold. So I have to go with bjj hands down. Sorry Judo practicioners.

[Guest]

What schizo said.

Tiger - you really should say what you actually mean before you go on the offensive.

[Grape_Ape]

Shadi,
Judo has a ton of chokes and armbars.

[MrPoopy]

Shadi, Judo takedowns and throws are much better than BJJ and there's plenty of submission.

[Shadi]

My mistake, I have been corrected. Thank you mr. poopy, and grape_ape. The only Judo, I know was the "turn your opponents energy against him" kind. Where it was mostly take downs. Sorry people of this board/panel my mistake.

[Guest]

I wouldn't say that Judo throws/takedowns are "better" at all. In fact I would say that BJJ is more functional in this area.

But Judo rules allow these very aesthetic and wonderfuul throws. Great for sport, but not as good for self defence, i.e. relying on having clothing to grab, sometimes turning your back on your opponenet to apply them, etc.

[MrPoopy]

Wrestling takedowns are the best. Wrestlers can usually beat Judoka at their own game. But takedowns aren't good at all when you never practice them and always start grappling on your knees.

[Guest]

Originally posted by MrPoopy
Shadi, Judo takedowns and throws are much better than BJJ and there's plenty of submission.

I was discussing this. You haven't just switched arts, you have switched arguments now as well.

Party Poopy

[MrPoopy]

Bri Cry, at what point did my argument change?

[akja]

no judo is better

[akja]

no wrestling is better