It ain't over till Florida is counted

[Ronin]

Unbelievably, the presidential election isn't over yet.

It is dead-locked, and until Florida's recount is completed (5 p.m. today, hopefully), we STILL won't know who will be the next President of the United States.

Ugh.

One thing is clear. After this divisive election, NO ONE will have a clear mandate to say they speak for the American people. Look forward to 4 years of gridlock and bickering in Washington. At least that's something we're used to.

Could it be that Joe Manco cast the deciding vote?

God help us all.

[Masala]

As it is, it looks like Bush could win the election but have lost on popular vote...by a couple hundred people.

WOW

[Ronin]

Masala:

You are correct, my friend. Either way it goes, we are witnessing history.

This is democracy. Stand back and marvel.

[Masala]

Sorry ROnin, but if GWB wins the election and not the popular vote, we can no longer call this country a Democracy and must lable it as it really is: A republic.

[Ronin]

Masala:

Yesterday it looked like Gore would lose the popular vote and win the electoral count, and Bush supporters were whining in advance.

Personally, I'm prepared to accept the Founders' logic no matter which way it goes. One election is not enough to over-turn the system.

But enough of this. I have to get back to my real life, such as it is.

[Masala]

I'm not. I was asked yesterday: "If Gore wins by electoral vote but loses the popular vote...as a Gore supporter, what will you do?" and I answered " I'd have to raise a stink because if Bush wins by popular vote, he deserves to be president whether I like it or not." So you can be damn sure I am going to raise a stink if Gore wins by popular vote but loses the election.

As for "trusting the founding fathers", I don't trust anyone, especially people who have been dead for hundreds of years.

[Mickey Finn]

Originally posted by Masala
Sorry ROnin, but if GWB wins the election and not the popular vote, we can no longer call this country a Democracy and must lable it as it really is: A republic.

Correct me if I’m wrong here, but I believe in this nations history this exact situation has occurred ……I believe twice before? (help me history buffs) I’m not a Gore fan, but the Electoral vote thing is an archaic piece of sh*t. It needs to be changed. It devalues the vote of the individual. Abolish it.

[nhb_wanabe]

end it.

it's bullsh!t

[Joe Manco]

Consider this ...

Plato said that a democracy was the WORST form of government. It placed the entire welfare of a nation in the hands of the genral populace ... most of which is comprised of ignorant, uninformed simpletons.

Yours truly,

Joe

[Tony10]

Yeah. What we need is a king.

[Mickey Finn]

Plato was a fag, a poofter, a Nancy boy, a queer, a butt bandit. He lived in the Village and skipped to work. Heaven only knows what he had up his ass when he said that.

[Tony10]

Anyway:

Yes, the electoral college needs to go, and I assure you that will probably happen now because of this.

It will be interesting, because when Bush takes office (he will), it will be with a slight majority of the country saying we voted for the other guy; hardly a mandate.

So we're going to see if Dubya truly means to "unite," or if that's the usual GOP B.S. before he goes on a scorched earth run during his term.

Bush's problem is that he could barely disguise his old-school GOP philosophy of tax-cutting at the expense of the national debt, his abysmal environmental record and his obvious intent to overturn Roe v. Wade via Supreme Court appointments. His--and the GOP's--smirking sense of "vote for me and everybody gets 'theirs'" creeps a lot of people out. Plus, the fact that to this day the GOP refuses to distance itself from the hate-filled, bible-thumping, zealou right wing is still a head-scratcher.

The lessons of the Clinton victory were apparently lost on Gore, who ignored altogether Dubya's very resonant ideas--less taxes, less government--and instead dragged out the old-school Democrat populist "fighting for you" act, which to most people = tax & spend. His zealousness in focusing on attacking the intellectually lesser-equipped Dubya showed a mean streak that turned people off. Clinton/Gore won the first time because they talked issues, plans and progressive ideas while George Sr. spent his time trying to attack them with godawful one-liners(with Mr. Potatoe Head at his side). You'd think Gore would remember that. He didn't.

What does it all mean? The fact that we split down the middle as a nation?

We're still waiting for a good one, that's what it means.

[Edited by Tony10 on 11-08-2000 at 09:38 AM]

[nhb_wanabe]

yeah waiting

for a good alternative.

[Tony10]

BTW, NHB, Nader's on TV right now just laying into Gore and Bush. It is perfect.

[Ronin]

Great idea, guys!

Let's throw out the Bill of Rights too, while we're at it!

How about the 2nd Amendment? Talk about an "archaic piece of sh!t". When that was written, the most sophisticated weapon you could own was a self-loading musket. Abolish it!

Where do you stop?