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  • #46

    Ok ,guys(and girls),since xtians feel free to proselytize here,I will feel free to rebuke them and rudely.BTW,if you are a reasonable Xtian then ignore this,as its the fanatics that irk me the most
    " Let us tell you about what happened in England. There was a man
    preaching the Word of God, and he saw a man coming by him with a knife
    in his hand. The preacher asked Jesus to pin the man to the lamp-post he
    was just passing, and that is what God did. Then the preacher went up to
    him and asked the man why he had the knife, and the man told him that he
    was going home to kill his wife. The preacher then told the man about
    Jesus, and the man gave his life to Jesus, and not only that, but the
    man's wievidence is worthless,and this is the biggest bunch of crap that Ive read.God wont protectfe also gave her heart to Jesus."
    Now,only a dam fool would buy this story(give the names of all participent pls,and a witness since this happened in public)yet some people eat this crap up unquestioningly.
    To me ,I would much rather live in a world of atheists than a world of(insert favorite monotheistic religion here).Its hard to get a holy crusade together with people who dont believe in divinity at all.

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    • #47
      Jimmy23,

      Your truth be known site by Archaya S is false to the core, to say the least. Her arguements on the narative of Jesus being borrowed from earlier pagan ideas is just plain fraudulant. For eg.
      Among the parallels offered for the virginal conception of Jesus have been the conceptions of figures in world religions (the Buddha, Krishna, and the son of Zoroaster), in Greco-Roman mythology (Perseus, Romulus), in Egyptian and Classical History (the Pharaohs, Alexander, Augustus), and among famous philosophers or religious thinkers (Plato, Apollonius of Tyana), to name only a few.
      Are any of these divinely engendered births really parallel to the non-sexual virginal conception of Jesus described in the NT, where Mary is not impregnated by a male deity or element, but the child is begotten through the creative power of the Holy Spirit? These "parallels" consistently involve a type of hieros gamos (note: "holy seed" or "divine semen") where a divine male, in human or other form, impregnates a woman, either through normal sexual intercourse or through some substitute form of penetration. In short, there is no clear example of virginal conception in world or pagan religions that plausibly could have given first-century Jewish Christians the idea of the virginal conception of Jesus.

      A virgin is someone who has not experienced sexual intercourse, and a virgin birth, or parthenogenesis (Gr., parthenos, "virgin"; genesis, "birth"), is one in which a virgin gives birth. According to this definition, the story of the birth of Jesus is a virgin birth story whereas the birth of the Buddha and of Orphic Dionysos are not. Technically what is at issue is the loss or the preservation of virginity during the process of conception. The Virgin Mary was simply "found with child of the Holy Ghost" before she was married and before she had "known" a man. So, too, did the preexistent Buddha enter the womb of his mother, but since she was already a married woman, there is no reason to suppose she was a virgin at the time. In the Ophic story of Dionysos, Zeus came to Persephone in the form of a serpent and impregnated her, so that the maiden's virginity was technically lost.



      Among others is her claim that there is no evidence for the Isrealites Exodus out of Egypt. That is just plain not true. There is much archaeological evidence to back up this event.
      Clearly this woman is driving on unpure motives to try to debunk christianity, and is showing that "the emperus has no clothes"







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      • #49
        Oh sure, I take the time to post and no one reads it...

        Hello........



        anyone here............................


        bzzzzzzzzzssssssiiiiiizzzziiiiitttt__________*

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        • #50

          I would only like to say that this is the longest thread I have ever recieved. I feel so priveledged.

          Thanks to all of you for keeping it alive You like me, you really like me!

          Ryu

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          • #51
            Ryu,

            You started this crap? You will burn for all eternity, the flames of hell will overcome you, and weeping and nashing of teeth, and........
            ooops, that was another thread!

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            • #52
              Yea thou I walk through the Valley of San Fernando

              Yea thou I walk through the Valley of San Fernando I shall not fear because I carry my Spyderco close to my side even though I know BJJ and JC and the rest.
              His rod and staff shall comfort me along with the bat I keep in the back seat.
              You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies and that's why I pack a Heckler 9 in my fanny pack.
              Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life because I let off on that arm-bar just before the shredding sound started.
              And I will dwell in the house of the Lord with my back to the wall so I can keep an eye out for those christians who want to lay hands on me.

              *******************************************************
              Seriously we all retune back to the same source and if christianity is the only way and God's our Father he sure the hells behind in child support for not visiting more often.

              [Edited by Maui Jim on 11-28-2000 at 05:58 AM]

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              • #53
                Maui Jim,

                Maybe He didn't leave you.... Maybe you deserted Him.

                Just a thought.

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                • #54
                  all understandings, religions and faith

                  With all understandings, religions and faith we still open up pandora's box by adjusting it to our life.
                  That's what causes the different division of thinking by how we make adjustment in our beliefs and Faith.
                  God a Person or Force if Love must accept all understandings and being part of it I can't desert myself.
                  If you see the Buda on the road kill him, meaning think for yourself trust no man, trust the teacher within.

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                  • #55
                    Originally posted by david a
                    Jimmy23,

                    These "parallels" consistently involve a type of hieros gamos (note: "holy seed" or "divine semen") where a divine male, in human or other form, impregnates a woman, either through normal sexual intercourse or through some substitute form of penetration.
                    But now we're just arguing over sementics.

                    -Tony

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                    • #56
                      There's a world of difference between a woman giving birth to a child as a virgin and one that is not. I was just trying to clear up the vast difference. This is where the "virgin birth" can be misconscrude and thus falsified evidence of Christianity borrowing from pagan ideas.

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                      • #57
                        Originally posted by Maui Jim
                        Yea thou I walk through the Valley of San Fernando I shall not fear because I carry my Spyderco close to my side even though I know BJJ and JC and the rest.
                        His rod and staff shall comfort me along with the bat I keep in the back seat.
                        You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies and that's why I pack a Heckler 9 in my fanny pack.
                        Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life because I let off on that arm-bar just before the shredding sound started.
                        And I will dwell in the house of the Lord with my back to the wall so I can keep an eye out for those christians who want to lay hands on me.

                        *******************************************************
                        Seriously we all retune back to the same source and if christianity is the only way and God's our Father he sure the hells behind in child support for not visiting more often.

                        [Edited by Maui Jim on 11-28-2000 at 05:58 AM]

                        Dr Frankenstein sez...arise...arise ARISE old thread...

                        these freakin mental midgets still have the site open smashing the martial arts


                        Great post here BTW ..hehehehe


                        oh no where did all these flames come from? AAAAAAAaaaaaahhhh

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                        • #58
                          Boy, thats some real time you got on yer hands, son.

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                          • #59
                            Originally posted by gregimotis
                            Boy, thats some real time you got on yer hands, son.
                            Nah not really, there wasnt much discussion that didnt involve bruce lee or bjj so i checked what guests were reading...Viola! assholes worth comment

                            note i didnt say christian assholes ...oops i guess i just did

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                            • #60
                              ...... No wonder MA is "illegalised" in melbourne. You defend yourself with a cheap boxing upper from a machete-wielding bloke, and you get arrested. tsk tsk

                              Ok, kids! Let's drop out of our dojos and start preaching peace to bloodthirsty gunmen hoping they'll magically be convinced and drop their weapons and expect them to dance like as if it's a 1950s musical!

                              .... Riiiiiight.

                              PS: this is my last message until i make a proper introduction. sorry.

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